_MJ_ Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) I saw it today. You guys are on page 18 so nothing I say is going to illuminate anything. Of course, I like to hear myself talk and think out my thoughts so here I am typing away. I am going to guess we've passed the dissection of the plot phase and maybe we're in the "why it wasn't that good" phase so I'm not going to go too deep into the plot right now. I'm still on a high. For me, the best thing about this movie are the new trio leads. Hands down. That component alone made this so much more enjoyable for me than the prequels. I understand the prequels were a darker story and blah, blah, blah, but John and Daisy were such a breathe of fresh air. As soon as they excitedly expressed awe and joy over defeating a couple of First Order fighter ships, I was all in. Yeah, I'm easy but even some of you cynical bastards have to at least like one of them now. Po(Oscar) didn't get much, but I like the developing bro relationship between him and Finn. He'll probably get more to do in the next one. I know you don't need likable leads to make a good movie but it should be a requirement for this franchise. I think they hit a homerun with John and Daisy as Finn and Rey. I hope they keep it up; please no awkward dialogue. Harrison Ford was obviously fun too. I get why they decided to do it, but I did want them to keep him around long enough to get one more scene between Han and Luke. Just one. Oh well. As for the plot...okay, I'll definitely say the map objective wasn't exactly the most thrilling or creative plot device in the world. Plus, I'm sure there are some hardcore fans not thrilled with Rey winning the Rylo fight. I thought it was cool, but I rarely get bent out of shape about these type of issues; "her dragonball z power level isn't at his experience level so it doesn't make sense for her to out duel him". Okay, I'm just being a jerk now. I need more time to process the movie, but my main issue was that the First Order didn't strike too much fear or malice in my heart as the main villains. If history tells us anything, the second one should correct this concern. I can't wait for the next one. Edited December 25, 2015 by _MJ_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 The honeymoon period for The Force Awakens is officially over for the ISWC! ISWC? rec.sports.pro-dejarik You answered one question that results in another question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I saw it today. You guys are on page 18 so nothing I say is going to illuminate anything. Of course, I like to hear myself talk and think out my thoughts so here I am typing away. I am going to guess we've passed the dissection of the plot phase and maybe we're in the "why it wasn't that good" phase so I'm not going to go too deep into the plot right now. I'm still on a high. For me, the best thing about this movie are the new trio leads. Hands down. That component alone made this so much more enjoyable for me than the prequels. I understand the prequels were a darker story and blah, blah, blah, but John and Daisy were such a breathe of fresh air. As soon as they excitedly expressed awe and joy over defeating a couple of First Order fighter ships, I was all in. Yeah, I'm easy but even some of you cynical bastards have to at least like one of them now. Po(Oscar) didn't get much, but I like the developing bro relationship between him and Finn. He'll probably get more to do in the next one. I know you don't need likable leads to make a good movie but it should be a requirement for this franchise. I think they hit a homerun with John and Daisy as Finn and Rey. I hope they keep it up; please no awkward dialogue. Harrison Ford was obviously fun too. I get why they decided to do it, but I did want them to keep him around long enough to get one more scene between Han and Luke. Just one. Oh well. As for the plot...okay, I'll definitely say the map objective wasn't exactly the most thrilling or creative plot device in the world. Plus, I'm sure there are some hardcore fans not thrilled with Rey winning the Rylo fight. I thought it was cool, but I rarely get bent out of shape about these type of issues; "her dragonball z power level isn't at his experience level so it doesn't make sense for her to out duel him". Okay, I'm just being a jerk now. I need more time to process the movie, but my main issue was that the First Order didn't strike too much fear or malice in my heart as the main villains. If history tells us anything, the second one should correct this concern. I can't wait for the next one. I felt like I didn't know enough about the New Order and their objective, but it's also fine to simply establish them as Bad People and save the Bond Villain exposition for E8. I said to my wife after the movie all the NR rally (Obvious symbolism was obvious BTW) needed was a bunch of MAKE THE GALAXY GREAT AGAIN hats. Plus bogging too deep into process stories is the thing that killed the prequels most. So I get why they went the other way. When Disney gets its investment back we'll get insight on process. On the whole, all the nitpicking doesn't diminish the fact it hit a lot of the high notes it needed to and allowed me to nerd out about a dozen times. If a movie can make you do that ONCE, it's the price of admission right there. Imagine how a dozen made me feel. In spite of the JJisms it was entertaining as hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Han comes back in ghost form for one last scene with Luke or in some kind of a dream sequence. I'd be surprised if we don't get another Harrison Ford/Mark Hamill scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Ghost form would not work for me. He wasn't a Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 The honeymoon period for The Force Awakens is officially over for the ISWC! ISWC? rec.sports.pro-dejarik You answered one question that results in another question. Internet Star Wars Community. It's a joke about Internet fans (and wrestling fans particularly) loving something and then rabidly turning on it, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Okay, here's the thing. If Prime Tyson (or even 50-year old Tyson) got shot in the chest and was bleeding out, there is a possibility I could kick his ass. That doesn't mean I can beat Tyson post-surgery. When we enter the ring and he's healthy I am getting KO'd in about ten seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Real talk, I'll be pissed if Chewie doesn't get to murder fuck Kylo Ren at the end of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'm fairly confident you saw all the revenge Chewie is gonna get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 My dad has always looked like Han Solo in a way, to me. He and I went to this movie with my 7yo daughter. After we parted ways, I asked my kid - who hasn't seen anything "Star wars" - what she thought. "It was like watching grandaddy die. We should have watched 'Road Chip.'" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Chewie will beat Kylo Ren on the floor over and over, then growl defiantly, which will be subtitled "Puny Sith." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think Kylo Ren is going to be a God in episode VIII. Chewie's best shot to kill him was right then and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Having now seen the movie twice, I think I would've preferred it more had it ended about 2 minutes earlier before they found Luke. Just cut that whole last part out completely. End it with Ray and Chewie flying off in the Falcon on their search for him, which would call back to the end of Empire when Lando and Chewie flew off in the Falcon on their search for Han. There would've probably been a lot of backlash from some people with Luke not showing up in the movie at all, but I honestly think that last bit was really tacked on and didn't add anything at all to the movie as a whole.One neat little thing I saw was when Finn was looting around in the Falcon one of the things he picked up was the training ball Luke was using in A New Hope when Obi Wan was first trying to teach him of The Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The movie was a lot more humorous than I was expecting for some reason. In a good way though. I'm sure not everyone enjoyed the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" almost meta moments, but I got a kick out of most of them. The Stormtroopers walking the other way after hearing Rylo's tantrum with the "Nah!" backpedaled move was a nice touch. I enjoy the idea of a Stormtrooper turncoat. Also, Finn being kidnapped from his family and turn into a child soldier was a nod to the modern world. It wasn't deep but it was more than I expected from this type of blockbuster film. Not sure how I feel about the Rylo Ken character yet. Rylo being a Darth Vader fanboy could have interesting, potential meta commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Alcott on Poe/Hux if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The hottest potential relationship coming up is BB-8 & R2. BB-8 *is* a chick, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 They kept referring to it as "he" and it was voiced by Bill Hader and Ben Schwartz, so it seems not. Screw Rey's parentage, BB-8's is way juicier: 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The hottest potential relationship coming up is BB-8 & R2. BB-8 *is* a chick, right? Why would BB-8 need to be a "chick" for the relationship to work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I saw it on Saturday. I thought it was pretty good. A little slow and dragging in points, but most JJ Abrams movies tend to be like that. I absolutely loved the character of Rey. The mystery of her origin should be nice as it's told over the next couple of movies. I suspect she's related to Obi Wan more so than Luke. It would be too easy to make her Luke's daughter or even Kylo's twin. Speaking of Kylo. God, what a little whiny little prick. I mean you could have some empathy for Vader. But I have none for this guy. I enjoy Rey almost getting him though at the end of the movie. Stupid planet having to fall apart. Yeah that Starkiller was something else. That scene was amazing with the ray coming down on the republic was so jaw dropping. Not much gets me to go DAMN in a movie these days, but that did it. The General who ordered the weapon to fire. I can believe he's related to Vader. But, I would imagine the First Order has to have more than one of them in the galaxy. I did find it funny that The Rebels still have the same old stuff and still managed to take out the bad guy's with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The hottest potential relationship coming up is BB-8 & R2. BB-8 *is* a chick, right? Depends on the model: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Maybe R2D2 is the chick. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Haven't looked at the whole topic yet, but I finally saw the film yesterday. I thought it was pretty good. Finn, Dameron, & Ren were probably my favorites. I especially need to see Dameron and Finn have more team ups in the coming films. I actually loved that Ren was such a whiny bitch. It makes him so different from Vader. And as someone who basically worships Vader and is trying his damnedest to be him, I love just how much he fails at doing so. I dug Rey a lot though I think she was a bit overpowered for just the first film. I'm sad to see Han go but am ok with it. Still, I sort of wish they waited to do that in maybe the second film. I'm interested in learning more about Snoke, especially with what I assume was a Wizard of Oz trick he was pulling in this one. Starkiller base was frightening though I could have done w/o what was essentially a third even bigger Death Star. Similar could have done w/o seeing the Republic die again. Anyways I loved the film overall and can't wait to see what they do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That's the one drawback to this movie. Everyone really wants to see what's going to happen next, but the next Star Wars movie is instead going to show us whether or not the rebels could successfully steal the Death Star plans 40 years ago. Spoiler alert: They could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Well, that's an anthology side story. Episode VIII really isn't that far out though, summer of 2017. May 26th, to be precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Well, that's an anthology side story. Episode VIII really isn't that far out though, summer of 2017. May 26th, to be precise. So, you have a while before you have update your box office rec ord breaker posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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