AxB Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 If she's got any sense, she'll fire Edmund, move to Poland and train striking with Joanna's team. But I think there's a bit too much Diaz brother mentality in her for that. She'd rather blame losses on her own mistakes than admit someone was just better on the night... although she did do the complete opposite of fight a smart fight. If you're being over aggressive and being outclassed by a better striker who is lethal angling out off the back foot, the one thing you should never do is keep lunging at them. If she'd started backing off and making Holm come to her more, well, it's a lot easier to clinch up with someone moving in than someone moving out. If only she'd had an intelligent fight analyst in her corner to tell her what adjustments to make. Or even to make adjustments, rather than tell her she was doing well and stick with it. She did seem wierdly out of shape in the fight as well. Much less defined musculature than usual (or at the weigh in), and visibly blowing up early. Did all those sub-minute fights convince her that she didn't need cardio? Or was she injured and unable to train, or something? I know a lot of it must have been taking punishment, but Holm seemed to land less to the body than usual, and her body shots hadn't been as effective in previous fights. If they do Holm vs Tate next, and then the winner gets Rousey, that's probably better business. Even if Tate beats Holm (styles make fights), Rousey vs Holm 2 is still on the table, either as a contender's battle (babyface being forced to earn a title shot she should have been freely given = money) or as Rousey's first defence when she beats Tate again (styles still make fights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think the story of this match was what happens when one fighter has a gameplan and the other doesn't. The story of every other Rousey fight was her opponent trying to match her aggression and getting steamrolled. Holm's coaches basically did the exact opposite. They had her back all the way up, and stay as far away as possible, and used Rousey's aggression against her. Rousey had no idea what to do. Her footwork was terrible, she had no idea how to cut the cage off when Holm was moving away. Her head movement was non existent and Holm was able to locate her chin every time she moved into range. When Rousey went back to her corner, her coaches told her she was doing great and Hom had "nothing, but that left hand." That left hand was battering her like a piece of fried chicken, and they didn't think it was a big deal. There was some discussion in the 30 for 30 thread about whether or not Tyson could have ever beat Holyfield. Tyson's fighting style was similar to Rousey in the sense that both needed to find a way to fight in the proverbial phone booth. Tyson, especially young Tyson, had incredible head movement and footwork that allowed him to get inside without taking too much punishment. Rousey's head movement and footwork was so terrible, that I have no idea how she improves enough in time to win a rematch. She won't ever beat Holm if she just walks straight in with a stationary chin like she did the other night. Holm doesn't have to be Floyd Mayweather(I don't think we'll be talking about that any more) defensively, she just has to move away and let Rousey walk right into her left hand. That was a masterful fight from Holm and her trainers, and a huge debacle for Ronda Rousey and her trainers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So, BIGGEST UPSET EVAR~! or did we all go amnesiac and forget such shocking moments like Serra's 1st round TKO of GSP or TJ Dillishaw handing Renan Barao his ass? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So, BIGGEST UPSET EVAR~! or did we all go amnesiac and forget such shocking moments like Serra's 1st round TKO of GSP or TJ Dillishaw handing Renan Barao his ass? I haven't forgotten those. Big MMA upsets: Couture vs. Sylvia Serra vs. GSP Werdum vs. Fedor Weidman vs. Silva with Silva's antics truly catching up to him as Weidman bounced his head like a fucking basketball Dillashaw vs. Barao Rousey vs. Holm The topper for me is still Serra vs. GSP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Well, despite having a lot of fun trolling the mouth-breathers at Sherdog, I figured I'd come by here where there's folks what that know a thing or two about fighting. Holly Holm is the worst possible opponent for Rousey. In case anyone has forgotten, she's worked on her wrestling with no less than Bones Jones. Rousey has never faced an elite striker of Holly's level, the Holly of even two or three years ago is long gone, replaced by an offensive buzzsaw. That said, when you're facing a Muay Thai fighter or a boxer, the stupidest thing that you can do is line up straight across from them, that's their kill zone. Rousey's camp gave her a stupid game plan, but it's on her for listening to bullshit and disregarding the obvious threat in front of her. However, no one goes undefeated unless they do so by dodging top competition (Yeah, Money, I'm looking at you, punkass.) Truly great fighters keep adding to their skills, will Rousey do so, or will roles in Fast & Furious and such derail her? I'm thinking she comes back with a new camp and a new respect for striking. ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Helps Holly Holm's comes from a great camp: Bones, Condit, Cerrone and coaches in Greg Jackson/Mike Winkeljohn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Helps Holly Holm's comes from a great camp: Bones, Condit, Cerrone and coaches in Greg Jackson/Mike Winkeljohn. New Mexico represent, muthafukas!!! ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 This must've been Stan Lee's favorite fight ever! As for Rousey vs. Holms II: I'm calling it - Rousey bites off a piece of Holms' ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So, BIGGEST UPSET EVAR~! or did we all go amnesiac and forget such shocking moments like Serra's 1st round TKO of GSP or TJ Dillishaw handing Renan Barao his ass? Serra GSP is #1 until some other journeyman fighter beats the best fighter on the planet by 1st round knockout. He won his titleshot on a reality show. In the rematch GSP beat his ass like he stole something...because he stole something. If they fought 1,000 times, I don't see Serra winning twice. He took full advantage of the only opportunity he'd ever have to be a champion, and beat someone who was clearly better than him in every way. Holm beat the hell out of someone who she is clearly a better boxer than, this isn't the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 In a weird way, this was the best thing that could have happened, assuming Rousey wants a rematch. The Tyson-Douglas rematch would have been a mint had it happened but never did for political reasons and happenstance. You're telling me Holm-Rousey 2 won't draw? I think the point more has to do with how much it will draw after that one fight. Part of the allure to Rousey at least in a main-stream context was a) would this be the one to do it or b) how will she finish off her off. There's more money for UFC in Rousey staying undefeated, that getting at least 3-4 more fights/wins, someone finally knocking her off her throne, and the rematch. If UFC wanted to do Mayweather/Pac-Man money, I would stack UFC 200 with all 3 of the top fights you have (Aldo/Mcgregor, Jones/Cormier II, and Holm/Rousey II). It won't happen and for obvious reasons, but if this was timed a little bit better, Dana could be doing Scrooge McDuck kind of money. It still could happen if Rhonda can win a rematch here in the short-term and set up the inevitable Cyborg fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammo~! Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Underdog babyface topples dominant heel champion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Here's Joe Rogan's reaction to seeing his hero get KTFO. https://youtu.be/Nu5Px81YKUc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 If UFC wanted to do Mayweather/Pac-Man money, I would stack UFC 200 with all 3 of the top fights you have (Aldo/Mcgregor, Jones/Cormier II, and Holm/Rousey II). It won't happen and for obvious reasons, but if this was timed a little bit better, Dana could be doing Scrooge McDuck kind of money. It still could happen if Rhonda can win a rematch here in the short-term and set up the inevitable Cyborg fight. Cormier vs. Jones II is happening in either April or May. I think a lot of this comes down with what happens with that preliminary injunction in NY State. If they can get it in MSG, then they will do it there obviously. If not, then perhaps that April PPV will be moved somewhere else and be headlined by a different fight. There is still some stuff that needs to be determined. I just saw a few minutes ago that NY was given an extension to respond to the UFC's injunction. Most of what will probably be booked for UFC 200 is going to be determined what happens over the next stretch of shows until about March. Another thing you have to factor in is the possibility of a GSP return. He may stay retired after this six week camp or he may not. If he only wants to do superfights, then they probably would want him on that show. If they can finally get to do GSP vs. Anderson, then that would be the destination. Beside that and Holm-Rousey II, the only thing that may be already slotted is a possible debut for CM Punk. That's what Duke Roufus wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshEngleman Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Why is it so impossible for people to spell "Ronda" and "Holm" correctly? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitlick Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Ronda autocorrects I think to Rhonda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 John Wayne Parr filmed that? He was a hell of a fighter back in the day. Although you'd have to be with a name like that, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You know, McFanJay has spoiled me, because I expected more ass pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 You know, McFanJay has spoiled me, because I expected more ass pictures. I like how you had absolutely nothing to add AND botched his username. Sterling. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Dave Sholler @Sholler_UFC 19m19 minutes ago This just in: @_HOLLYHOLM will be on @GMA tomorrow at approx 7:50am to talk #UFC193 title win. @ufc @lorenzofertitta @danawhite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Woody Paige was the only person on the various ESPN shows I watched yesterday to actual make good points about the fight. Of course he was at UFC 1 in Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You know, McFanJay has spoiled me, because I expected more ass pictures.I like how you had absolutely nothing to add AND botched his username.Sterling. Skillz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mayweather obviously spoke to his publicist before chiming in on RR's loss. "I don't have anything against MMA fighters. It's just like boxing; you win some, you lose some. A true champion can take a loss and bounce back. I don't think it's cool how everyone is trolling her on social media. Certain things you have to learn. People will love you on Friday and then Sunday morning, it's nothing but negative comments and people making jokes and people making fun about you, which I don't think is cool. I'm pretty sure she's a very, very strong person, but we still have to take into consideration that she has feelings. Everything happens for a reason. This was already written. Listen, if God says, 'In Floyd's career, I don't want him to lose', you know what? I wasn't going to lose. That doesn't mean that I haven't took a loss before. I'm not talking about boxing; I'm just talking about life. When you lose a loved one, that's taking a loss. I think that everything is just a learning experience. In due time, she'll be able to bounce back and make some noise again in mixed martial arts." Keep it classy, Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Nice, how he humbly emphasized that his losses he's referring to are of the "crazy game of life" variety. "Not like that ass-whoopin' Rousey took ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 That's the nicest thing Mayweather has ever said about someone he was 'feuding' with, I mean it wasn't perfect but still. He took the oddly high road on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 That's the nicest thing Mayweather has ever said about someone he was 'feuding' with, I mean it wasn't perfect but still. He took the oddly high road on that one. If it ends this stupid Mayweather/Rousey thing, I'm cool with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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