Burgundy LaRue Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How often has the world title changed hands on Raw? Foley's first title win and Ziggler winning the MITB cash-in against Del Rio are the only ones that immediately come to mind. Off the top of my head - Triple H's first win in August of 1999 - Triple H's third win in January of 2000 - Rey Mysterio winning the WWE Championship tournament - John Cena defeating Rey Mysterio after the aforementioned tournament I'm probably missing something REALLY obvious Ziggler cashing in on Del Rio was on RAW, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Rock beat Foley in a ladder match with help from Big Show on RAW to end their title swapping before Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The Miz won the title on Raw as well off of Orton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Austin beat Kurt Angle on RAW, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Here's a random thought that came into my head that I'm ineffectively going to put down here. once taker retires, do you think he'll be drawn towards the performance centre by the higher ups in a vain attempt to train some of the new breed of big lads coming through the system? Or do you reckon he's going to cut all ties, say fuck it and retire to become a grizzled old "get off my lawn" type dude? I think he'll serve a similar function as HBK. He'll show up on TV occasionally or stop by the performance center for a pep talk, but he's not going to be invested in creative or development. It'll just be doing favors from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How do all these indy dudes like the Young Bucks perform crazy moves every night and never injure themselves? Guys who work a more grounded style tear something and are out for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How do all these indy dudes like the Young Bucks perform crazy moves every night and never injure themselves? Guys who work a more grounded style tear something and are out for a year. They probably work through some pretty fucked up injuries and are incredibly broken down. Daniel Bryan is somewhat an example of how the indy style really wears you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How do all these indy dudes like the Young Bucks perform crazy moves every night and never injure themselves? Guys who work a more grounded style tear something and are out for a year. To be fair - a lot of them seem to be really flexible guys and I know RVD seems to have escaped a bunch of injuries just for that reason I am not saying that is the reason - just a possible theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Austin beat Kurt Angle on RAW, right? Yeah after Regal hit Angle with the belt.....er....championship and joined The Alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 To generalize: Small flippy guys likely have less overdeveloped musculature as guys who tear pecs or what not. They might puck up injuries they can work through better than big guys with major injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I've always assumed it has a lot to do with the schedule. When they're in the States, the Bucks are just working weekends. They work several days a week in NJPW, but tours are relatively short. How many nights a year is Cesaro not working a show? Factor in constant travel and odd sleeping hours, workouts in the weight room before shows, etc. I've never made an effort to compare but does how many indy guys work as many shows or travel as much as virtually everyone in the WWE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How do all these indy dudes like the Young Bucks perform crazy moves every night and never injure themselves? Guys who work a more grounded style tear something and are out for a year. They probably work through some pretty fucked up injuries and are incredibly broken down. Daniel Bryan is somewhat an example of how the indy style really wears you down. LOL please school us on this "indy style" and explain how Danielson and the Bucks' styles are similar. Never seen the Bucks run headfirst into an opponent's head and never saw Danielson do a handspring backrake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Also, for a more "grounded" style, Cesaro is still doing reverse spinning uppercuts from the second rope and shit like that. It's hard to pick out a single WWE guy that doesn't have at least one flying move these days, even if it's a simple plancha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I always thought the WWE injury rate was just a function of how many matches they have. I could be wrong, but don't indy guys do maybe 2 shows a week at most, and in Japan they're doing month on/month off, whereas WWE does 2-3 tv shows a week plus multiple house shows throughout the year? In addition to the general wear and tear with no recovery time, the chances of a fluke injury are higher just as a matter of volume. You look at guy like Seth Rollins working that schedule plus being Mr. Double Duty on Raw for like 2 years straight, and you have to consider him insanely lucky he lasted as long as he did. Bryan was Mr. Double Duty before Rollins and while he racked some notable injuries on the indies, he didn't seem to get the "injury prone" label until he was working the WWE schedule with a higher volume of less strenuous matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Dunno if anyone posted this, but Cesaro confirmed the injury and speculated he would be out 4-6 months. Cesaro thought he had a minor injury and that his doctor's visit would give him some treatment options (Rehab etc.) Exactly. I got the MRI done and was like, “Okay, cool, this will help me with how to rehab and get back to full strength.” But then I got the call the next day saying, “Hey, you tore a tendon and partially tore another one.” [Laughs] It’s pretty much up in the air, and I don’t want to be quoted on a timeframe. I think the official timeframe I was told was like four to six months, but that all depends on how surgery goes, how my rehab goes and so forth. http://www.wwe.com/inside/cesaro-injured-interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 All those shoulder injuries mean they need more rear Delt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Harms Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You know Vince is sitting there all smug saying "SEE? I TOLD YA WE SHOULDN'T PUSH CESARO!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How do all these indy dudes like the Young Bucks perform crazy moves every night and never injure themselves? Guys who work a more grounded style tear something and are out for a year. To be fair - a lot of them seem to be really flexible guys and I know RVD seems to have escaped a bunch of injuries just for that reason I am not saying that is the reason - just a possible theory I swear RVD talked about how his 40 minute pre match stretch routine is what has kept him relatively injury free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Realistically, though, how long has Cesaro been with WWE and injury free? He's been on the main roster for, what?, 3 years? Him going out right now is inconvenient, but I don't think it's going to get him an "injury prone" label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It will if it fits their "this is why we won't push him" narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yikes. What is with all the wrestling injuries in 2015? They better put Reigns and Owens in bubble wrap. Kidd,Bryan,Orton, Jey Uso, Rusev,Lana,Zayn, Itami, Seth,and now Cesaro. 2015 has definitely been the worst year for injuries, in recent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w. josh Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think RVD might be an example of what helps indy guys work through injuries for a different reason, if you catch my drift. It's drugs. Drugs are my drift. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The "injury prone" thing has always been nonsense. Orton and Batista both had a few injuries that kept them on the shelf for months and months. They were always pushed right back to the top. Bryan is a different story though because head/neck injuries.. yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Dolph never really recovered push-wise from his concussion. Although with him, it could be other reasons but they kinda soured on him after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm watching Breaking Ground and I just have one question, how much is WWE developmental talent paid? Mojo bought a decent house in Central Florida. That had to cost a decent amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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