The Man Known as Dan Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't see an argument for Rose in the Hall now, nor do I think he ever should be. This isn't a "the MLB screwed him over situation" TO paraphrase Vince, Pete screwed Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grilledcheese Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 SFG did a good job of putting some arms behind Bumgarner. Weird about a 2 year opt out in Cueto's deal, but good move for Johnny if his elbow doesn't explode. Bumgarner, Cueto, Shark, Peavy, and if Cain is healthy him, otherwise Chris Heston? If I were into rooting for evil jerks in black and orange, I wouldn't be complaining. And still I wait for my beloved Boys in Blue to get more for the staff than Hisashi Iwakuma. April is still a long ways away. I can't fucking wait. Stupid winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 People complain constantly about buy outs as being overly player friendly, but I think most teams are starting to view them as a "It's basically a short term deal if things work, because by the end of it it would probably suck for us" play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Still sitting here for Shapiro & co make some moves for the Jays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Still sitting here for Shapiro & co make some moves for the Jays... Not much you can do when there is no more money to spend or no more prospects to trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 There's plenty of money to spend, they just won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ill say it until I am blue in the face I doubt there is that much to spend on baseball team since the corporation grossly overestimated the value of having NHL rights and why it is so much better having individuals owning sports teams rather than gigantic corporations. How much would the Jays broadcast rights be worth now? No one knows which pocket the tv money goes to since Paul Beeston has just said for years we are losing money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Anyone want Ryan Braun for about 5-7 minor leaguers not even in your top 100 prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 When pro sports franchises say they're losing money, they're usually full of shit. Especially when that sport's revenues have reached a record high for like the 13th straight year. But hey, here's $60 million guaranteed on JA Happ and Marco Estrada! Enjoy battling for third place again, Jays fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Apparently Shapiro said the payroll is going up due to the weak canadian dollar. That is, they have to pay more in cdn$ to keep it the same as last yer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I get that...but how much extra revenue did they collect from August 1st til the end of the season? Tickets, merchandise, concessions, and massive tv numbers...a competitive team that the city has confidence in is a license to print money in Toronto. Add one top end starter this winter and they could see with 40k+ every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Allegedly, they lost money the year before, so they could argue the profit last year made up for the shortfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The more they spend the more they'll get from increased interest. The team as is will not be a contender and Toronto fans should rightly be upset, as they're close but badly need an infusion of talented pitchers. It's not like this year's free agency class was full of great arms or nuffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireThunder Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 According to Heyman, Jason Heyward's contract is ridiculously backloaded. He'll cost $15M in 2016, then $21.5/$21.5/$20/$21/$21/$22/$22. And a signing bonus that's deferred unless (when) he opts out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Good thing is, he's so young that he will still be an elite player during those last years. It's his next contract where the backloaded part would be quite scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Right. Even if he doesn't opt out, which I'm not sure why he wouldn't if he meets the requirements to do so, the hit isn't going to be that much since the Cubs will have even more money at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Todd Frazier to the White Sox in a three team deal also involving the Dodgers. The Dodgers gave up less than the Reds and got more. That's amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Baseball isn't played on paper, but goddamn are the Reds going to be bad. The NL Central is again going to be the Cubs, Cards and Pirates with the Cards looking like they fell behind the Pirates. The White Sox are just so shitty too. A quick list of shitty 2016 NL teams: - Reds - Brewers - Marlins (Possible for them to have a good season I guess) - Braves (maybe?) - Phillies - Padres (How does Preller still have a job?) - Rockies I could see the Diamondbacks having a year where they went bananas in the offseason only to have nothing to show for it during the regular season. Going to be tough competing with the Giants and Dodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 And supposedly the Indians signed Mike Naploi, per Rosenthal. And Napoli is going to be the everyday 1B, also per Rosenthal. Not certain what that means for Carlos Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Santana will be the DH/part-time 1B/part-time C, I'd assume. NL is looking top-heavy again. Cubs look like the class of the league again, with the Pirates, Nationals, Cardinals, and Mets in the next tier and the three NL West teams (Giants, Dodgers, DBacks) kicking the shit out of each other. It's still obviously early this winter, but the Cards and Dodgers have taken huge steps back this winter, while the other non-Cubs teams have largely stood pat and the Diamondbacks got a lot better. As for the shit teams? The Braves will be terrible. The Brewers and Reds will be shambolic. The Rockies will either be mediocre (if they don't trade any outfielders) or bad (if they do strip down the OF). The Padres will be thoroughly mediocre. The Marlins could put it together and compete for a playoff spot if the dysfunction doesn't tear them apart. The Phillies will be better, but still pretty dire. American League? Now this will be interesting. I don't think there's a truly shit team except maybe Oakland. AL Central and West are going to be a bloodbath, four really dangerous looking teams in each of those divisions. White Sox will be better, but I don't think they can compete. Tigers will be better and can go on a tear if they stay healthy. Seattle is also looking a lot better on paper. And then...there's the East. The Orioles could be pretty bad if they don't replace Chen or Davis. The Jays are back to being mediocre. The Rays are the Rays. The Yankees are still the Yankees. The Red Sox are obviously much improved. This could be a one horse race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 My main concern, which is the a concern for my other buddies who are Cubs fans as well, is the amount of regression the Cubs are due for. Arrieta, Bryant, Schwarber, and Lackey will all likely regress, with the latter being due to age. It's exciting to think that the roster as it stands now could potentially win 100 games, but that's with everyone playing at the same level they played at last season. Or those fears could be unfounded, but the Cubs have had an amazing offseason thus far putting together one of their best teams ever on paper, not just a team of the best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Santana will be the DH/part-time 1B/part-time C, I'd assume. That would be the guess. Though Santana hasn't really caught even semi-regularly since 2013. For comedy purposes, I was hoping a return to 3B. But I have a sick sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Santana will be the DH/part-time 1B/part-time C, I'd assume. NL is looking top-heavy again. Cubs look like the class of the league again, with the Pirates, Nationals, Cardinals, and Mets in the next tier Something, something, defending National League Champions, something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 In regards to the DBacks getting a lot better, I'm not sold. I think the Miller trade actually made them worse, not better. They did get Greinke though, but I see him being more "solid No.1" then "elite player" this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Santana will be the DH/part-time 1B/part-time C, I'd assume. NL is looking top-heavy again. Cubs look like the class of the league again, with the Pirates, Nationals, Cardinals, and Mets in the next tier Something, something, defending National League Champions, something. I don't think it's a shot against the Mets to say they look a bit worse then they did going into the playoffs. Real questions with the bats on that team again. Really, there aren't many teams in the NL that look like they took big steps forward so far this off-season. Cards lost Heyward, gained not much, Pirates have lost some pitching, Dodgers are out Greinke and have nothing to show yet, Nats have stood pat due to all there targets deciding "I'd really much rather go to the Cubs instead, so...", and the Mets haven't accomplished anything yet. It's really only been Chicago, San Fran, and Arizona that have taken steps forward, and the cost Arizona took to take those steps forward is very questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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