Cliff Hanger Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 When Beavis and Butt-Head returned in 2011, I remember Butt-Head angrily announcing "they can BOTH do better!" in response to some shitty MTV reality show. That's kind of how I felt about Barry/Patty. Both of them treated the other like ass, and both of them kind of deserve it. Wally is rather emphatically not "my" Wally but I don't hate him or anything, he's a victim of circumstance. We really, desperately need a Kadabra story and a John Fox/Speed Metal story and more Piper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm super disappointed Patty went the McKenna route. They totally wrote themselves into a corner with her but it's still a stupid and frustrating payoff after all that build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I was kind of disappointed to see them break up though in retrospect Cliff Hanger kind of made a good point. I'm not really fond of Wally so far. Way too much misplaced resentment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I want to slap Wally when I see him on the show, but I can sympathize with his situation. He's an angry teenager. Meeting his long lost Dad for the first time (who overcompensates for lost time), his mother is dying, Barry (arguably) replaced him in Joe's little family... He's naturally going to have some angst. Patty & Barry breaking up kind of sucks, but I'm glad they didn't go with the typical "but, wait... I'm the Flash!" type of reveal and she stays and then inevitably gets murdered or something by Zoom/Reverse Flash/anyone. Barry needs to just let this one go. Besides, now he can hook up with his foster sister! I really dislike how Eobard is still alive, but whatever. Zoom is a much better foil for Barry, I think. Give me more Earth 2 stuff, damnit. Unrelated to Flash, but I watched the pilot of Supergirl the other day. It's pretty good, but I really hope as I dig into episode 2 and further that the production and stuff starts to look a lot... slicker? I don't know the word I'm looking for. This is on CBS, correct? How does the CW manage to have better looking SFX than a major network show? Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I think they're pulling a "Return of Barry Allen" with next week's episode. Should be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The CW has had over a decade to perfect playing to their strengths effects wise, between Smallville, Supernatural, and the current crop of DC series. It's new ground for CBS. Also flying people is just one of those things that's hard to pull off in live action. Supergirl does pretty well effects wise given TV constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APO Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The only effect I really hate on Supergirl is that dumb flying one where it's like someone paused her and then she busts out the super-speed again. It looks so damn hokey and, thankfully, they've seemingly dropped it judging by the first two new episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 In fairness, neither Atom nor Firestorm look all that convincing when they fly either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 You mean Ronnie's little Thriller dance isn't believable? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm super disappointed Patty went the McKenna route. They totally wrote themselves into a corner with her but it's still a stupid and frustrating payoff after all that build. Most of the mainline canon have always had them having the awkward ex-dating thing. As clunky as Patty's exit was, that had to be established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So they aren't even hiding the fact that Felicity is Oracle, huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm super disappointed Patty went the McKenna route. They totally wrote themselves into a corner with her but it's still a stupid and frustrating payoff after all that build.Most of the mainline canon have always had them having the awkward ex-dating thing. As clunky as Patty's exit was, that had to be established. Except you know, the current stuff where they're dating and she knows he's the Flash and he's never dated Iris. Besides, Ollie in the shows is only about 10% influenced by the comics and Diggle/Sara Lance didn't exist. The source material doesn't really dictate much unless they need an out for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So anyone else catch Legends of Tomorrow? I think its off to pretty good start. I like the set up, and the team has a good deal of chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Legends was bananas. They just jump right in with a plot that would be kinda bonkers in the comics and just fly with it. Super brisk pace and over the top action. One twist was obvious, the other not. They did a really good job balancing the cast and getting great character stuff in there. I loved it, pretty much. I could easily see it becoming my favourite depending how Flash shakes out over the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Yeah, Legends of Tomorrow was super fun, but I can see it being one of those shows that's completely dependent on drawing viewers from Flash and Arrow instead of bringing new fans to the show. Which is fine, because this is the first show that's actually felt like a comic book come to life. Like Unholy Dragon said - it was bonkers from start to finish. Unlike Greggulator in the music thread, I've had "My Name is Jonas" in my head because of that first scene. And I didn't see that kill coming, either. Good stuff all around - still don't like Wentworth Miller, though. I hate the way he talks, always have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I really enjoyed it and this is coming from having seen zero of either Arrow or Flash. Some stuff was a little confusing, but they explained it well enough to someone coming in with almost no prior knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If the pacing felt a little weird, it may be because next week is "Pilot Part 2" so I guess they meant it to be a 2h pilot on first run and instead we got the syndication experience from the jump for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The first episode of LEGENDS did nothing for me. I thought it was horribly laid out. For a show whose appeal is almost exclusively to viewers who are already on board the CW-verse, spending the 1st act on an info dump of stuff those viewers already know was a weird choice. And then the next act was all those characters dithering over a choice we already know they're going to make because otherwise there wouldn't be a show. And then in the last act they all dither over the exact same decision again. SO MUCH DITHERING. But I think the biggest stone around this show's neck is Hawkman and Hawkgirl. So far, they're total duds. They have no chemistry, and episodes grind to a halt every time they start blathering about their eternal love. Which is fucking often. And unfortunately, there's no getting rid of them, because they're central to the mythos they've set up with Savage. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Agree about the Hawks. Which is a shame. I generally dig the Hawks in the comics. Legends of Tomorrow didn't do a whole lot for me either. The angst at the end when they found out they were not, in fact, legends annoyed me to no end. Didn't really understand how that mattered all that much. Not very super hero-ey to take your ball and go home unless the people asking for your help think you're some sort of iconic figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Again, somr of the pacing issues probably have to do with the fact there was supposed to be another 45 minutes of story. We kinda saw to the midpoint because who knows. I do sympathize with the character intro stuff, but at the same time, even if something is a spinoff you can't assume viewers will have seen the original source stuff. I was definitely expecting that bit to be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The only thing I think i can agree with Eva on is the Hawks. I actually like Kendra, but there is definitely no chemistry there for a romantic relationship which I hope they realize sooner than later. The angst at the end when they found out they were not, in fact, legends annoyed me to no end. Didn't really understand how that mattered all that much. Not very super hero-ey to take your ball and go home unless the people asking for your help think you're some sort of iconic figure. Well to be fair only Ray & Stein are actual heroes, and we know Ray has been concerned about his legacy ever since his "death" didn't make as big a splash in the world as he expected. Whats more you also have to take into account that Hunter essentially brought them in because they were expendable which the whole legend deal helped to alleviate a bit as it would have meant they weren't likely to die on the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 They still didn't reveal whose grave it was on Arrow did they? It looks like Felicity is becoming Oracle, but with all the otherworldly tech at Star Labs I find it kind of hard to believe they couldn't come up with some tech to help her, but plot devices are what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I could swear in the preview for next week's episode they show her standing up when she's telling Oliver "I can't be in the team anymore" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'm still putting Felicity's mom in the grave, since her connection to Papa Lance is now widely known and Dhark will eventually know that Papa Lance has been double agenting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 They still didn't reveal whose grave it was on Arrow did they? It looks like Felicity is becoming Oracle, but with all the otherworldly tech at Star Labs I find it kind of hard to believe they couldn't come up with some tech to help her, but plot devices are what they are. That was always the thing with Barbara. There are prob a million ways to get her out of the wheelchair, from an exoskelton to magic. Hey look, Zayanna's here. "ArabraB, klaw!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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