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JULY 2015 WRESTLING DISCUSSION V.2.0


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r/squaredcircle is not that bad. If anything it's one of the more normal reddit's.

You want to see bad, go on r/kappa.

I don't know what I just saw, but it's weird and terrible.

You haven't left this board yet dude.

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So wait, we've come to the point where we don't tolerate those that agree with us? And it's the overly critical people who are part of the hive mind?

 

What the hell is going on here?

 

Roman's improved a bunch but he went from guy with good look who has a handful of nice moves to a pretty good wrestler. He's still got a lot of room for improvement and hasn't won me over yet. I like how they haven't just given him the title. Logically, it would make sense for him to win one of the US or IC titles before winning the big one.

 

My main point being: why can't we tolerate a difference of opinion? Why is there such hostility?

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http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/backstage-news-the-talks-between-wwe-wwn-evolve-fall-through

 

Source: Prowrestling.net

 

Early last month, reports broke that WWE was in discussions with WWN, the parent company of EVOLVE and Full Impact Pro, about working together in some capacity. There were unconfirmed claims at the time that the talks were about using the company as a developmental league in some capacity.

 

According to sources, the talks between the two companies have ended without a deal. One source close to the situation said that WWE felt they don’t have to pay someone to assess indy talent when they have people like William Regal who are doing so effectively. Gabe Sapolsky did not respond to a request for comment and WWE previously declined to comment on the rumored talks.

That answers my question from a while back.

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Interesting. Thanks for that.

 

I can see why both parties wouldn't do that sort of deal. I'm sure there would be many benefits for WWN's promotions to nestle up to the warm bosom of WWE but they'd probably lose all sorts of autonomy and we know WWE's history with developmental territories hasn't been the best. 

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He has never once flipped or even climbed the top rope. Go back to NXT and learn to work!

 

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Roman still isn't very good IMO

 

Yeahhhhh...you can go.

 

 

I'm just glad that you actually like something enough to be passionate about it. 

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http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/backstage-news-the-talks-between-wwe-wwn-evolve-fall-through

 

Source: Prowrestling.net

 

Early last month, reports broke that WWE was in discussions with WWN, the parent company of EVOLVE and Full Impact Pro, about working together in some capacity. There were unconfirmed claims at the time that the talks were about using the company as a developmental league in some capacity.

 

According to sources, the talks between the two companies have ended without a deal. One source close to the situation said that WWE felt they don’t have to pay someone to assess indy talent when they have people like William Regal who are doing so effectively. Gabe Sapolsky did not respond to a request for comment and WWE previously declined to comment on the rumored talks.

That answers my question from a while back.

 

That's an excuse. They bailed out when Gabe tweeted "Gabe wwe".

Seriously, they already were in negotiations and then they suddenly realized "Oh wait, we already have William Regal, duh."? Seems plausible.

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Or...

"Upon further consideration, we have guys that are better than you at achieving our goals"

So, an elaborate rib on Gabe, eh?

That seals it, Punk is back guys! (Admit it though, it beats pretending to be Homicide canceling his match with "Ko-gee-ma.")

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Roman still isn't very good IMO

 

Yeahhhhh...you can go.

 

 

I'm just glad that you actually like something enough to be passionate about it. 

 

Don't see the point in trying to argue, is all.

EDIT:  I've been in a rough state of mind recently thanks to lack of sleep, so I've been a bit moody.  Sorry.

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I didn't know Russo was involved with IPW:UK but it's right there on IPW:UK's twitter account so this story from another board is probably legit. Russo is so stupid. Bolded parts are my emphasis
 

I was at a PROGRESS Wrestling show in London on Sunday, and it was excellent as always. The champion was a guy named Jimmy Havoc, who's been the nastiest most evil fucking bastard of a heel for two years. Everyone wants to see him lose the belt, but every time he manages to hold onto it. Havoc turned heel by attacking the babyface promoter Jim Smallman, and since then he's been taunting and tormenting the guy by not only holding onto the belt but forcing Smallman to count his pinfalls just to rub salt in the wound.

At the same time they've been building up this high-flyer called Will Ospreay. He's young, good looking, the most babyfacest babyface in the world. About a year ago he went to the top rope to do a 630 and ended up hurting himself, and since then they've done this angle where he's too scared to do the move so he does other finishes instead. Ospreay had a couple of shots at the belt before last weekend, but he either got screwed by Havoc's minions or got tripped up when he hesitated hitting the 630. At the last show he won a 16 man tournament to win another title shot, and every single person in the crowd was dying to see him win at last.

Like I said the show was great, and it ended with Ospreay hitting the 630 for the first time since his injury and Smallman counting the pin. Everything made sense, it was built up perfectly, and when Smallman counted 3 the roof came off the place. It was a perfect moment.

The reason I'm writing this here is because the first half of the show was ruined for me by this fucking guy standing right behind me, who spent the first few matches talking very very loudly about how he books his own promotion, and how he could do certain things better than PROGRESS, and how he knows Vince Russo. Turns out Russo actually works with this guy and gives him booking advice. He said that while the beloved babyface beating the hated heel to send everyone home happy would be the expected ending, both he and Russo agreed that it would be better to do something unexpected to ~~swerve~~ the fans. The idea that these intellectual titans came up with was a double turn, with the heel-turned-face beating the face-turned-heel to retain the belt, and continue the chase for another few months with the roles reversed. The only justification he gave was that people wouldn't see it coming, and so it was intrinsically better. Plus even though fans said they wanted to see Havoc lose, they fact that they kept coming to shows proved they didn't really want that at all (???). There was no hint of a double turn before the match, there's no shades of grey in either guy's character, no-one wanted or would have appreciated a double turn in that match.

When I asked the guy whether he'd be worried that fans would get pissed off with that finish and stop coming to shows, his response was that since the show had sold out quickly they could afford to lose a couple of hundred fans (out of 700 there that night) because there'd always be plenty more to take their place. I was literally speechless. This guy is responsible for trying to draw as many fans as possible, and he's telling me it's ok to drive a significant proportion away for no real reason. A businessman who fucks up the simplest most elementary aspect of business.

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Why are people still giving Vince Russo chances? Are there really promotions that still want worked-shoots and nonsensical swerves? Can we knock him out, put him in giant wooden storage crate, and ship him to Antarctica?

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This guy is responsible for trying to draw as many fans as possible, and he's telling me it's ok to drive a significant proportion away for no real reason. A businessman who fucks up the simplest most elementary aspect of business.

 

wait, Vince McMahon was in attendance?

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This guy is responsible for trying to draw as many fans as possible, and he's telling me it's ok to drive a significant proportion away for no real reason. A businessman who fucks up the simplest most elementary aspect of business.

 

wait, Vince McMahon was in attendance?

 

:rolleyes: sign ups are always open at wrestlingforum.com

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I don't know anything about Jimmy Havoc or Will Ospreay and that storyline summation made me want to see the match.

It's an open question whether a Will Ospreay heel turn or a Jimmy Havoc face turn would be dumber, but the combination of the two is something only Russo would be dumb enough to put together.

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