Spritenaut 32 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Mickie Zeidler said: Those are all well and fine, but if you'd never heard of Batman, you'd have no idea there was a Bat Symbol on his chest. "Who are you, black devil?" "Ab Man" would be my first guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathyBoy Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 23 hours ago, The Natural said: Ben Affleck Batman costumes: Gotta sell those toys to the kids, bruh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Wow. Deeeeestroyed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 25 minutes? Guess I'll never know the problem with DC's heroes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathyBoy Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 DC has better heroes and villains than Marvel. They ever pull th off properly, there's no limit to their box office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 DC possess the best comic book hero and villain of all time in Batman and the Joker. You won't be surprised by this opinion of mine ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 They have stronger top 2, but a weaker top 10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, AxB said: They have stronger top 2, but a weaker top 10. Apart from the Batman roster of characters, I do prefer more Marvel characters to DC's. After the Bats books, my reading of Marvel books outweighs other DC titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathyBoy Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 hours ago, AxB said: They have stronger top 2, but a weaker top 10. Yes if including X-Men. But X-Men is a line unto itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Honestly, I struggle to think of any Marvel stuff I like on a DC level. X-Men and GotG taken as a whole, in the same sense as I would view the Legion as a whole for DC. Black Panther. Daredevil. Maybe Spider-man. DC has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash Family, Green Lanterns, Green Arrow...I think the Batfam alone has more standouts for me than the entirety of Marvel. I like both and read plenty from both, but in terms of character biases I'm 100% DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 With DC you always have to pin down which version/run because they’ve schismed their characters so severely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 so finally saw Batman v Superman. two major thoughts: 1. this was, by far, the worst version of Batman i have ever seen, in any media, ever. 2. other than that, i didn't hate the movie as much as i expected to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 hours ago, twiztor said: 1. this was, by far, the worst version of Batman i have ever seen, in any media, ever. hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 20 years later, I finally notice that the expiration date is "FOREVER." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 15 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: hi. somebody at work made this same claim. IMO Clooney had the worst performance under the cowl. Affleck's Batman was the least Batman-like. Affleck himself did fine. at least Clooney-Bat wasn't outright shooting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 In theory, Clooney should have been a really good Bruce Wayne, since george was basically him in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I always thought that Clooney was a good Bruce Wayne but bad Batman, while Kilmer was a bad Bruce Wayne but good Batman. Keaton, of course, was great at both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Keaton had a take on Batman. It's not necessarily congruous with the way we think about the character all of the time, but it's a take. His Batman is kind of like an Elseworld's version of the character where Bruce is deeply neurotic and uses theatricality to compensate for not having the phenomenal natural athleticism one associates with Batman. Kilmer seems pretty lost as Bruce and just works within the framework Keaton built for Batman. Clooney didn't know why he was doing the movie other than WB said so, and he had no one creatively helping him out anywhere on the production. His Batman voice is indistinguishable from his Bruce voice, and he's given very little to do as either iteration of the character. There's not a lot of it that's his fault, but it doesn't seem like he cared either. Bale is very good in Begins, but his work in the other two films has been picked apart before and it's become very well established that the Bat voice gets increasingly ridiculous. He does give three distinguishable interesting performances as Batman, public Bruce, and private Bruce. Affleck was very uneven, but he also had to deal with a lot of creative decisions that weren't in his control and seemed to wear him down. Anyway, Adam West is a golden god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Was there a plan at some point to do a third Keaton Batman movie. It was always weird to have that tease at the end with Catwoman and then it went nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, Craig H said: Was there a plan at some point to do a third Keaton Batman movie. It was always weird to have that tease at the end with Catwoman and then it went nowhere. Keaton went in for a costume fitting for Forever before WB basically dismissed Burton over the reaction to the darkness of Returns. At that point it was a similar premise, but Billy Dee would be Two-Face and Robin Williams would be Riddler. Rene Russo was going to be the love interest until they decided she was too old for Kilmer and replaced her with Nicole Kidman. I think Marlon Wayans was still the front runner for Robin at that time. The only discussion about Catwoman returning that I remember was a possible cameo in the abandoned follow-up to Batman & Robin that would have had Bruce seeing visions of the rogues gallery during a fear toxin attack from Scarecrow. The ending of Returns was a studio note that was tacked on after the film wrapped. That's not even Michelle Pffeiffer in the suit. WB definitely intended to leave the door open for a sequel since they shot themselves in the foot letting Joker die. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 To add to the post above: Wayans apparently still gets royalties from Returns and Forever. He was cast in Returns by Burton, but the character was cut. I guess he’d signed a contract or something and gets paid for it. Also, Burton wanted Brad Dourif for Scarecrow, which is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Log said: To add to the post above: Wayans apparently still gets royalties from Returns and Forever. He was cast in Returns by Burton, but the character was cut. I guess he’d signed a contract or something and gets paid for it. Also, Burton wanted Brad Dourif for Scarecrow, which is awesome. And Schumacher apparently wanted Jeff Goldblum or Howard Stern for Scarecrow, AND Madonna playing Harley Quinn or The Joker's Daughter, depending on what you read, which would've been... something. RIP Batman Triumphant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I think Nic Cage was in the mix for Scarecrow too. Stern seems weird now, but he was coming off of Private Parts being very well received. I would have loved Goldblum as Crane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/5/2017 at 3:58 AM, twiztor said: somebody at work made this same claim. IMO Clooney had the worst performance under the cowl. Affleck's Batman was the least Batman-like. Affleck himself did fine. at least Clooney-Bat wasn't outright shooting people. Keaton-Bat was though. Also lighting them on fire and smiling delightedly. I can see arguments for hating Batfleck, but there hasn't really been a film Batman who hasn't killed at least a few dudes with some level of intent. I feel like Batfleck was on the Mike Barr/Jim Starlin kick where Batman wouldn't outright try to murder someone but wouldn't go out of his way to save them or protect them either. Basically one who wouldn't cut Joker's throat but wouldn't have thrown a rope at him in The Dark Knight either. Anyway, for all the criticisms this is a weird one to me. Also, Clooney Batman is a super solid spiritual successor to Adam West. Same voice both ways, brings the camp, has that weird 'just walking around normal settings as Batman' vibe. Only the Clooney stuff as Bruce dealing with Alfred's impending death is legit great. I stand by Batman and Robin probably being the best of the 89-series films. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathyBoy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Hot take - there's no bad Batman performance. It's the greatest superhero role because the character can literally be anything or played any way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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