NikoBaltimore Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Reading yesterday's Observer, holy crap Demott was a piece of shit. Then again, so is Matt Wichlinski who was taking pictures of the women's asses. Paige and Summer Rae were the main roster ladies taped by him. It might be from at latest 2013, but I'm hoping all the cameras they have prevent this shit from happening again. I'm sure this has been discussed to death on here, but if you have the Observer it's worth reading. I may hate myself for asking this but I have been loosely following the Demott story and don't know alot of details so here goes: what was he taping them for/doing? He was filming their asses, especially in certain situations like bent over rows while working out. I haven't read it yet...did Meltzer make the same "not making excuses for it but totally making excuses for it" argument he did on his podcast? The one where it's pretty much, "hey, it's wrestling and that's how people talk and act in wrestling." "Hey it's a male-dominated workplace, that's how people talk and act in a male-dominated workplace." "Hey it's the mostly white South, that's how people talk and act in the mostly white South." And so on. Yeah, pretty much. Not sure if he exactly means to be making excuses for it, but he pretty much is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Reading yesterday's Observer, holy crap Demott was a piece of shit. Then again, so is Matt Wichlinski who was taking pictures of the women's asses. Paige and Summer Rae were the main roster ladies taped by him. It might be from at latest 2013, but I'm hoping all the cameras they have prevent this shit from happening again. I'm sure this has been discussed to death on here, but if you have the Observer it's worth reading. Sounds like that guy could do raw recaps here. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Reading yesterday's Observer, holy crap Demott was a piece of shit. Then again, so is Matt Wichlinski who was taking pictures of the women's asses. Paige and Summer Rae were the main roster ladies taped by him. It might be from at latest 2013, but I'm hoping all the cameras they have prevent this shit from happening again. I'm sure this has been discussed to death on here, but if you have the Observer it's worth reading. Sounds like that guy could do raw recaps here. I pointed out that out before and got laughed at. Might as well be r/WrestleWithThePlot sometimes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Reading yesterday's Observer, holy crap Demott was a piece of shit. Then again, so is Matt Wichlinski who was taking pictures of the women's asses. Paige and Summer Rae were the main roster ladies taped by him. It might be from at latest 2013, but I'm hoping all the cameras they have prevent this shit from happening again. I'm sure this has been discussed to death on here, but if you have the Observer it's worth reading. I may hate myself for asking this but I have been loosely following the Demott story and don't know alot of details so here goes: what was he taping them for/doing? He was filming their asses, especially in certain situations like bent over rows while working out. I was scared it was a Chuck Berry scenerio. This is your cousin Marvin Berry. You know that new way you wanted to film womens butts? Well listen to this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I didn't posit a point for you to agree or disagree with, nor do I particularly care what you think or if you ever agree or disagree with me. I asked a question. You need to calm down, son. You made up a position that I never actually took and then decided to use it to try and attack me because you're still seething about acting childishly regarding Bryan fans in a March Madness thread, of all things. Now, if you want to troll me and insult me, that's fine. Just please PM me with it so that a) it's easier for all of us to ignore and so b)we can keep it from spamming up the thread and so that I don't get unceremoniously banned. Oh, and I'll call you what I want to call you as long as a mod doesn't step in, though I'm assuming Rippa will be here to tell us to knock this off soon. This is the last post in which I'll address this, troll. Move on. Thanks for your compliance. On another note, I love that NXT is having a show at the same time as a couple of other indies during WM weekend. I love that the company has had enough of indies making money off their fans traveling to WM and has decided to take back that audience for themselves. Canny move, Vince. To be fair, is there a time during WrestleMania weekend when a major indy ISN'T doing a show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 To chime in on the earlier question about Bischoff... While he did have final approval on everything he was never a booker in the classical sense of the term. His originality was limited to ripping off an angle from NJPW and since he was basically given a blank check(s) to play with it succeeded amazingly well. However, you have to say that WCW was good despite Bischoff rather than because of him. By handing the book over to in-ring talent, we wound up getting a lot of great stuff simply because the booker(s) would focus energy on whatever angle they were in and fill the rest of the show with random 10-15 minute matches, many of which were really awesome. That was the one constant of WCW programming during the Bischoff years, you never knew what to expect from the mid-card. We used to have this whiney little shit around here who would constantly gripe about "wrestlers just having wrestling matches", hell, that's what I watch for and why I loved WCW (or at least a big part of it). They didn't do a lot of squashes as they had in the JCP days, but you might get really random stuff like Steve Regal vs. La Parka, Konnan against Lash Larue, all sorts of fun stuff that didn't advance any major angles, didn't really move guys up or down on the card, but just lots of good wrestling. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 NWO 2000 was Russo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I remember in Jericho's book he told a story where he was wrestling Chavo Jr. who was getting over with his horse Pepe. So the bookers told Jericho to beat Chavo, then snap Pepe in half. Jericho and Chavo talked about it, Jericho went ahead and broke Pepe, but then Chavo attacked him with an aluminum bat with the horse head on it. They never bothered to run it by anyone, just ran the angle themselves. Jericho said if he'd done the same thing in WWE, they would've been fired, but in WCW nobody cared, nobody talked to him about it even. He also told the story about Alex Wright and Hardbody Harrison arguing over who got to be the heel. Two good little illustrations over how Bischoff or whomever maybe booked the main events well, but basically let the lower guys do whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If WWE took that approach now, it might actually help things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 A lot of the early 90s WCW undercard might as well have existed in its own galaxy and was meaningless in relation to anything else, but watch that stuff again (on the Network for $9.99 a month). It's insanely fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Where does Eric Bischoff's 1994-1996 rank as one of the all-time periods as a booker? Is it up there with Vince McMahon in the late '90s? Giant Baba in the early '90s? Um...don't know who else you all would consider as having all time great periods of booking over a short period of time. Not especially high. He caught lightning in a bottle. That's not easy to do and he did it. He gets credit for that. But the week to week programming of the top angles was pretty lousy. His legacy is signing up all the top talent he could and then really not giving a crap about anything below the main event. That's why there's so much gold on the old nitros. Random guys who could work were put in random matchups and given time. That's just never going to happen again in a major promotion. On the bold, isn't that basically half or more of raw ever since it went to three hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I remember in Jericho's book he told a story where he was wrestling Chavo Jr. who was getting over with his horse Pepe. So the bookers told Jericho to beat Chavo, then snap Pepe in half. Jericho and Chavo talked about it, Jericho went ahead and broke Pepe, but then Chavo attacked him with an aluminum bat with the horse head on it. They never bothered to run it by anyone, just ran the angle themselves. Jericho said if he'd done the same thing in WWE, they would've been fired, but in WCW nobody cared, nobody talked to him about it even. He also told the story about Alex Wright and Hardbody Harrison arguing over who got to be the heel. Two good little illustrations over how Bischoff or whomever maybe booked the main events well, but basically let the lower guys do whatever. Hell, Bischoff and co. were paying so little attention that Jericho started his own feud with Goldberg without them noticing at first. ATM Eric bankrupted a company and should never been described as a success at anything other than blind luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Eric Bischoff got every wrestling fan's dream though. He got a national company with an unlimited amount of money to sign whoever he wanted. He basically got to play real life EWR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He desperately needed Arsenic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Did he really get to play, or was he just Sophie sending endless "Hollywood Hogan should be further up the card" e-mails? And I say this as an unabashed late-era WCW fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Actually, fuck Eric Bischoff. He was handed a Sting vs Bret, Sharpshooter vs Scorpion Deathlock, WCW World Champ vs. "Real" World Champ feud on a silver platter, and just shat all over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Did he really get to play, or was he just Sophie sending endless "Hollywood Hogan should be further up the card" e-mails? And I say this as an unabashed late-era WCW fan. The problem was that there were at least four Sophies in WCW, and the one Sophie didn't know what the other Sophies were doing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 and one of the Sophies ate pot brownies the night before Starrcade to get out of jobbing to Big Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There's so much shit they could have done with Bret. They had Hogan, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Randy Savage, Nash, Hall, Sting, Ric Flair and The Ultimate Warrior all on their roster at the same time if Bischoff didnt have his head up Hogans ass that would of, could of and should of been a main event seen to be wreckened with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I remember in Jericho's book he told a story where he was wrestling Chavo Jr. who was getting over with his horse Pepe. So the bookers told Jericho to beat Chavo, then snap Pepe in half. Jericho and Chavo talked about it, Jericho went ahead and broke Pepe, but then Chavo attacked him with an aluminum bat with the horse head on it. They never bothered to run it by anyone, just ran the angle themselves. Jericho said if he'd done the same thing in WWE, they would've been fired, but in WCW nobody cared, nobody talked to him about it even. He also told the story about Alex Wright and Hardbody Harrison arguing over who got to be the heel. Two good little illustrations over how Bischoff or whomever maybe booked the main events well, but basically let the lower guys do whatever. Hell, Bischoff and co. were paying so little attention that Jericho started his own feud with Goldberg without them noticing at first. ATM Eric bankrupted a company and should never been described as a success at anything other than blind luck. Bischoff was a success. He successfully conned WCW into making him executive vice-president and giving him an open checkbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 People don't realize how golden of an opportunity Bischoff had when he got all of this in 1993. He was not only given a ton of money but he was also given a good working relationship with New Japan Pro Wrestling. He had a wrestling fan's dream. ...........And he promptly turned it into WWF Jr., except he was showcasing the WWF stars that I could've seen 10 years before on Superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Bischoff had arguably the best talent roster in the history of wrestling and messed it all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Wasn't the WCW booker from '94 - '96 primarily Kevin Sullivan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yeah, but Hogan may as well be credited as part-time booker with all the shit he pulled thanks to creative control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yes, the original question was flawed. I was thinking of Bischoff as the guy since he signed off on everything, but that really is a question about Sullivan. Fair points all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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