Brysynner Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Heyman retweeted Joe's statement about leaving, with a "Hmmm" before it. Let's not forget that a few months ago, Triple H and Samoa Joe followed each other on Twitter then quickly un-followed each other. I think Joe in WWE is more likely than people want to think. I think the question is in what capacity will Joe be working with WWE is where a lot of people differ. Some think he'll be an on screen talent. Others think he'll be an off-screen trainer. Personally I think he'll be off-screen trainer. Although the NXT tapings are tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Now I wanna go eat at Joe's restaurant. Usually if a fat guy's passionate enough about food to open a restaurant, then it's good. Maybe Abby can give him some tips? So I don't follow TNA at all really. Has Joe had any decent matches in there in the past 5 years or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Joe is getting the gimmick they were going to give Alberto before he left.....dish cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Now I wanna go eat at Joe's restaurant. Usually if a fat guy's passionate enough about food to open a restaurant, then it's good. Maybe Abby can give him some tips? So I don't follow TNA at all really. Has Joe had any decent matches in there in the past 5 years or so? Um... I got nothin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Having actually watched RAW this week and just reading the Smackdown spoilers I'm wondering if I'm missing a bunch of details in these matches, but apart from promo work, and interference spots (the stooges), do any of the current heels in WWE do much in the match that is heelish? Trash talking maybe? But I mean just cheating all the time, taking shortcuts. Doing things that make it hard to beat them because they don't follow the rules. This is maybe part of the reason so many heels don't get heat, but kind of get just cheered a bit. They're dicks on the mic, but they don't wrestle like assholes. The babyface isn't really at any disadvantage. Barret really doesn't do much that's dishonest does he? Kane doesn't do anything heelish Show? Harper? He's pretty honest in the ring actually. The only reason he's a heel is because his opponents are always babyfaces. Miz? His only heeling is being mean to his valet. Rusev works like a stone babyface. This is bugging me. Like, part of the reason there's so little to care about Ambrose/Barrett is because there isn't that extra degree of difficulty. We aren't seeing Barrett cheat and shortcut his way to win after win so we're thinking "Dean's great, but how is going beat that cheating asshole? It's a huge disadvantage!" Everyone expects him to win. Because we Barrett as a guy who just wrestles normal and loses a lot. If Ambrose loses, it will likely be through interference to set up a new feud for him down the line, not because of any plot by Barrett. The closest they get to that is just numbers: "How will John Cena win with all these people outside the ring??" I think the shift can be traced back a few years, but I first started noticing it as a subtle change around the time that Michael Cole started cheering for the Miz (who was a heel) while still being ostensibly a face (or at least otherwise impartial) play by play guy. To me, it was a clear attempt by the WWE to try Cole as a Skip Bayless style figure. Bayless was and is terrible, but his steadfast, contrarian opinions have essentially been responsible for the "embrace debate" motif that has now been popularized. For this to work in WWE, and not have Cole become just a heel announcer, I think they very clearly toned down the use of underhanded tactics by heels, and instead just had them be pricks all the time. People don't hate Richard Sherman because he cheats (even if he does, it's never part of the argument). The people that hate Sherman do so because they feel like he is arrogant and disrespectful, while another significant proportion of people like that aspect and feel he backs it up because he is supremely talented. Even my beloved Cardinals experience this. To their fans they are all that is good about baseball, while to everyone else they are basically the Bo Dallas of professional sports. I'm rambling, but I think the WWE, probably due to the mixed reactions Cena has been getting for the majority of his career, decided at some point to "embrace debate". Obviously they have people they want us to cheer or to boo, wrestling doesn't work with just shades of gray, but realistically this modern era is becoming more and more based around fans choosing their favorites. The main event of Fastlane is a prime example of this: They have portrayed both Reigns and Bryan as faces because people like them, but neither of them have been 100% altruistic in the build for this. It's a real departure from face vs. face builds from the past. To get back slightly to the real sports parallels, everyone has favorites and most have at least one athlete they hate irrationally. More often than not, this hate is due to things that happened off the court/field than actions on it. Kobe Bryant is hated by many outside of LA, but that's due to him being perceived as "not a good guy/probable rapist". It's not because he threw salt in someone's eyes before hitting a game winning three pointer. In fact, many players who were noted for being dirty on the court have pretty sterling reputations off of it. I think WWE has taken note of this, and has decided on some level that for a heel to get heat, they need to be a prick and do things that are generally frowned upon socially, but once a match is underway, heels should treat it just like athletes do, as a contest with rules that are for the most part obeyed. I don't think the WWE ever embraced "embrace debate" as fully as they might have initially intended (thank God, probably), but you can still see the remnants of how they were shifting the in ring aspects today. I think for WWE, it was a natural reaction, and I probably put way more thought in to it than they ever did. Realistically, one day Vince had 75 Red Bulls and screamed at a production assistant about wanting a roster full of John Cenas for five hours, and this is what the writers came up with. Is there still a filter on pure sports build? Because I think that is probably the direction they wanted to head, like the "heels" and "faces" in UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Dude... Fuck the cardinals. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brysynner Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Cardinals are the Kofi Kingston of Baseball. Inoffensive, have that one time a year where you pay attention to them and after that moment you forget they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 the Arizona Cardinals are Kofi, the St. Louis Cardinals are John Cena. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The Cardinals are the Kofi Kingston of Baseball. Inoffensive, have that one time a year where you pay attention to them and after that moment you forget they exist. If you're talking about the St. Louis Cardinals, you couldn't have missed the mark more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The St. Louis Cardinals are like Chikara. You can see the appeal, but most of the time they're not nearly as good as their fans seem to think they are, and said fans will NOT SHUT UP about their fetishistic love. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The St. Louis Cardinals are like Crossfit. You can see the appeal, but most of the time they're not nearly as good as their fans seem to think they are, and said fans will NOT SHUT UP about their fetishistic love. fix'd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The proper analog to the Cardinals fan is the guy who brings any wrestling discussion to a screeching halt by saying: "Yeah, but if you haven't seriously studied Frank Gotch you shouldn't even be commenting on this." "Dude, we're talking about ladder matches..." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I thought Lucha Underground was making guys sign contracts that forbid them to work anywhere else but Lucha Underground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Well they didn't make Alberto sign that contract, so maybe Joe could get that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHFP Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I thought Lucha Underground was making guys sign contracts that forbid them to work anywhere else but Lucha Underground? Ricochet is still working PWG and he's one of LUs top guys. I believe they have to clear independent bookings with LU first though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The proper analog to the Cardinals fan is the guy who brings any wrestling discussion to a screeching halt by saying: "Yeah, but if you haven't seriously studied Frank Gotch you shouldn't even be commenting on this." "Dude, we're talking about ladder matches..." Nah. Cardinals' fans aren't that knowledgeable. You ask one who Dizzy Dean is, odds are they'll say "porn star", "70s sitcom star" or "our catcher in the 80s". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I don't see the problem. He's clearly trying to send a message to his next door neighbors, the Moran family, who have been saying some very anti-American things recently. Thus, "Get a brain, Morans! Go USA!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A Guy Named Tracy Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Cardinals fans are like WWF Superstars-era commentator Vince McMahon. Tells anyone who listens that their favorites do things the right way. Tells everyone how their favorites are classy. However when their favorites break the rules or do something underhanded, (McGuire, Neck Tat, Jhonny Peralta) they are simply fighting fire with fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I don't see the problem. He's clearly trying to send a message to his next door neighbors, the Moran family, who have been saying some very anti-American things recently. Thus, "Get a brain, Morans! Go USA!" It's a minor typo. Or did we all forget when Rick Moranis turned Iraqi sympathizer and beat the shit out of Danny Devito at Summerslam '02? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 See, I know plenty of smart Cards fans I enjoy talking baseball with, even though they tune out my prospect nonsense. I also know even more of the other type of Cards fans.... you know the ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The Cardinals are the Kofi Kingston of Baseball. Inoffensive, have that one time a year where you pay attention to them and after that moment you forget they exist. More like Edge. Remember when he kept winning the world title in the same exact way? He ends up with 10+ world titles and still everyone views him as a midcarder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.K.o.S. Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I thought Lucha Underground was making guys sign contracts that forbid them to work anywhere else but Lucha Underground? Ricochet is still working PWG and he's one of LUs top guys. I believe they have to clear independent bookings with LU first though. I think Ricochet's Lucha Underground contract says he can't work any particular non-LU show that's going to air on TV or be broadcast as an iPPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 All you have to do with Samoa Joe is make him Tyler Breeze's bodyguard for a few months, and then bring them up to the main roster together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 How soon until Samoa Joe is carrying Finn Balor to the ring on his shoulders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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