paintedbynumbers Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 was the Clash from Cleveland also. Has the vhs tracking all over it. I want to say first clash of 1989. I also agree that the NWA shows are the best part of the network. I would love to see more Prime Time Wrestling and even Older NXT shows. WWE has the footage but is taking their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I agree. FFS, all of the 88/89/90 PTW's aired on the old 24/7. It can't be THAT hard to reupload them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 So according to the JBL show with Sting, the Ultimate Warrior was going to get the huge push in Japan that Vader eventually got. Is this legit or just complete JBL bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I remember on some podcast, Vader told the same exact story about Warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Not just his push, he was the first choice for the Vader gimmick itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just imagine the Ultimate Vader trying to stiff Stan Hansen.... ....I'm still imagining it. I need some alone time... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, nofuture said: I remember on some podcast, Vader told the same exact story about Warrior. Gary Hart talked about it in his book too. He said that Warrior was all set to go to Japan but Pat Patterson got wind of it and got him to come into the WWF early. I'd guess they didn't want him to go over there and either A. catch fire and make loads of money and want to stay or B. be exposed as a horrible worker or get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Or they thought there was something to this Dingo Warrior character that could be molded into something that people talk about to this day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Cocaine and a weights regimen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Cristobal said: Cocaine and a weights regimen? Which part of that is the cross and which part is the fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irving Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The quality from the latest Center Stage WCW is perhaps the best out of all the episodes uploaded. Also plants the seeds for Luger's amazing heel run of 1989. Just awesome shit in general you have Muta spraying mist in Missy Hyatt's eyes and then having a fun match with Glacier. This is perhaps one of my favorite eras in wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Been watching the NoC shows, and discovered Melina vs. Michelle McCool in 2009. This match was so far ahead of its time. If this happened in 2014 NXT, people would've gone nuts for it. It's a 5-minute sprint that's just a constant stream of neat surprises, starting with Melina's entrance. It's two athletic women saying "fuck it, let's do something cool." You could make some technical complaints about the selling, but overall, the cool factor earns it a pass from me. You just didn't see women having matches like this at the time, and supports my criticism of the WWE narrative that women's wrestling was dead between Trish/Lita and the 4HW. Between Melina, Michelle, Beth, and Mickie, the talent was there, it was the institutional support that wasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Was that the match that got them in trouble, for being "too good"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I don't remember that story, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case. It was pretty easily the best match on the show, with only Punk/Hardy giving it a challenge, plus it just had that "wow" factor you don't get too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 It's easier to say there wasn't much talent here than "We didn't care about women's wrestling too much." To be fair, the audiences didn't pop for anything related to the divas either except maybe Mickie. So yeah Beth and Mickie and Melina have been erased from history but that's the way it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 It's easier to say that, but it's also shitty and conveniently allows WWE to gloss over the fact that it took them over a decade to even begin trying to fix the perception of women's wrestling brought about by years of sexist booking stemming from the attitude era. If you dropped the 4HW off back in 2007, they wouldn't be popping any crowds either only being allowed 5-minute matches and no one in creative giving a damn about their characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 On 8/25/2016 at 3:46 PM, Go2Sleep said: If this happened in 2014 NXT, people would've gone nuts for it. I wouldn't go that far, but it is a fun sprint that reminds me a bit of the 1-2-3 Kid/Owen Hart match from KotR '94, maybe because Melina takes an even more violent version of the bump Kid takes at the start of the match. I thought that most of the credit should go to Melina for being a bump machine with no regard for her own body in this one. She had the bump off the apron, the Hamrick bump, and the barricade bump off the top of my head. On top of that, her flexibility made that half-crab look disgusting. It's often said around here that one benefit that the women have is their flexibility making routine holds look killer. Good sprint, but if it was the best match on the card by a long shot, this must have been a subpar card. I don't remember anything about it, and I've seen it before, so I'm guessing it's not too great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Owen/123 is a pretty good comparison for that match. It's in a spot where you're expecting a nothing match, then both wrestlers go way above and beyond with their 5-minute allotment. The show was pretty forgettable overall, as many shows in that 2009-11 range were, which is why I found that match to be an even more pleasant surprise. On another NoC note, Taker/Kane from 2010 was a really good brawl. I was leery of the match length looking at the video timeline, but they kept it moving throughout. I'm not sure Kane was ever put over stronger in his WWE run than he was here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 For shits and giggles, here's Scott Keith's rant on NOC 2010 http://insidepulse.com/2010/11/26/the-smark-dvd-rant-for-wwe-night-of-champions-2010/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 On 8/23/2016 at 10:18 AM, Ramsey said: Just imagine the Ultimate Vader trying to stiff Stan Hansen.... ....I'm still imagining it. I need some alone time... Relevant username. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I totally forgot about this: On 1/12/98's RAW, Jim Cornette comes out and proudly introduces a heel Rock 'n Roll Express...who then come out to the Rockers theme music. This was just wrong, all wrong. WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 15 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said: I totally forgot about this: On 1/12/98's RAW, Jim Cornette comes out and proudly introduces a heel Rock 'n Roll Express...who then come out to the Rockers theme music. This was just wrong, all wrong. WRONG. The R&R actually had a brief stint as heels during the USWA/Smoky Mountain feud. They basically wrestled like they were cosplaying Tully and Arn and it was glorious. Mark Curtis managed them for a match or two and they had a really good match with PG13 that culminated Curtis beating the shit out of everyone with his cowboy boot. They could've extended their careers a little bit if they'd have wrestled like that later in their careers. Grumpy old men R&R would've been awesome. I'd have love to have seen them show up in 1995 or 96 ECW interrupting a Sandman or Gangsta's entrance and yelling turn off that headbanging rap shit and put on Boogie Woogie Dancehall. Here's the R&R and Mark Curtis destroying Randy Hales and PG13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Check out this Mark Curtis promo. About 2:15min in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 They just added three ECW TV shows from 1993 including the Eddie Gilbert "King of Philadelphia" segment. So maybe they are going to actually get some of the 1993/1994 gaps taken care of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Even if R+R are heels, they shouldn't be palling around with Jim Cornette of all people. That's a feud that should transcend heel-face dynamics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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