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Just watched an Italian Stallion squash match. He actually pulled out a proto Last Ride powerbomb. Gene Ligon tried a leapfrog and Stallion caught him and gave him a high powerbomb then finished with a pretty nice looking powerslam. Always cool to see stuff like that. Although you can see why that guy never got past the lower card. That match was designed to show him off and he spent a lot of the time just putting Ligon in an armbar. He was a good, solid worker but just didn't have that 2nd gear.

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Thoughts on Unforgiven 99

After Steve Blackman clobbered Val Venis with a kendo stick, security chief Jim Dotson cleared Blackman out of the ring and looked like a super tough guy. This never went anywhere, but Dotson certainly looked like a wrestler. 

Mark Henry looked great in his European title loss to D-Lo Brown. He had come a long way in three years, was cutting good promos, and he had the Sexual Chocolate gimmick. They should have pushed him up the card, not down, and he is the MVP of the show.

Chaz got beaten up and kicked out of the WWF locker room for allegedly beating up his girlfriend, Marianna, who used to portray his mom. Then we immediately cut to Jeff Jarrett, who is doing a woman-beating gimmick but is not ostracized by the boys in the back.

I didn't understand why Jimmy Korderas crossed the picket line instead of showing solidarity with the striking referees. It was hilarious how they came to the ring to beat him up in the main event.

Luna and Ivory had a fun hardcore match, but when Tori tried to help Luna, Ivory wiped them both out. Then Ivory picked a fight with Fabulous Moolah and Mae Young and got clobbered.

Billy Gunn's singles push died at the age of three months. The King of the Ring, who fought The Rock at SummerSlam, was back teaming with Road Dogg as the tag team champions. 

Al Snow and Big Bossman tried to make the Kennel in a Cell match work, delivering a bloody, hate-filled brawl. Bossman was brilliant in cutting through the roof of the cell to avoid the dogs. The problem was that the dogs were a complete non-factor and only cared about barking at each other.

Curtis Hughes didn't work out as Triple H's bodyguard, but Chris Jericho gave him another chance at the same gig. Hughes interfered and got Y2J disqualified against X-Pac, so this didn't work out either.

Mankind tried to keep his Rock & Sock team going during the Six-Pack Challenge main event, but he did put Mr. Socko on Rocky at the end of the match. Triple H won the vacant WWF title, even though he should have been stretchered out of the building after Mankind piledrove him on the steps.

 

 

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The Mick Foley 20 Years of Hell special that aired after HIAC is excellent. Its basically a filmed version of one of his live shows, and he's candid, witty, self-deprecating (none of this is a surprise from reading Have A Nice Day all those years ago, but still), with the ending actually being a quite moving description of his own legacy, and what it means for him and other wrestlers to go that extra mile and to push oneself to the very limits to get to the finish.

It also adds to Something Else To Wrestle and Legends of Wrestling as another completely non-kayfabe show on the Network.

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Thoughts on WWF Rebellion 99 (UK-only PPV)

Jeff Jarrett has the distinction of being the first wrestler to win a match by hitting his opponent (D-Lo Brown) with a vacuum cleaner. 

Clean finishes? In 1999? I couldn't believe it when Godfather beat Gangrel and then Val Venis beat Mark Henry with their finishers. Henry should have been pushed a lot harder at this stage. Why sign an Olympic athlete and then wait 14 years to do anything with him?

Chris Jericho finally started to look like a big deal, with his bodyguard Curtis Hughes helping him beat Road Dogg. Jericho did a lot of impressive, flashy moves.

Edge & Christian actually defended their No. 1 contendership to the tag team title, outlasting the Hollys and Acolytes. E&C had just lost to the Outlaws at Unforgiven, but they bounced right back and were in the midst of their series with the Hardys as well.

Rock should have won the WWF title from Triple H because Rock escaped the cage first. Referee Earl Hebner had been knocked out, so the match kept going. There should have been two refs in case of an Orndorff-Hogan photo finish.

British Bulldog is the MVP of the show. He pinned X-Pac clean and beat up Chyna, Triple H and Rock during the course of the night. Of course, he broke the first rule of how to get a promotion (don't hit the boss's daughter with a trash can). His antics paid off when the English crowd actually began chanting "Bulldog sucks!" Like the best villain, Bulldog believed his actions were justified. He should have gotten a title shot on the UK PPV, especially since his previous title shot was ruined by The Rock as special referee ("It doesn't matter if The Rock counts to three!")

 

 

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The Hidden Gems uploads today seem to be Latino Superstar themed, as there's a Rito Romero match from 1950's Dallas, the first MSG title defense from newly minted WWWF Champion Pedro Morales against Blackjack Mulligan, Tito and Mil Mascaras teaming against Demolition from the Paul Boesch retirement show, and a Rey Mysterio vs Super Calo dark match from prior to WCW Monday Nitro in September 1996.

I've only watched Rey vs Super Calo so far. It was a fun '96 TV match. I am guessing it was originally meant to air on Main Event since Mysterio takes a sunset flip bomb to the floor and there are slo-motion replays, but it ended up being scrapped when

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Super Calo broke his arm during the finishing stretch and can't catch Rey at all on the rana.

 

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The Demos-Tito/Mil match is pretty bad. Both teams just seemed really disjointed. Mil is Mil, but even Tito was off, at one point he even fucked up running into the ropes.

Spoiler box about the finish for those who haven't watched it yet.

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The ending was really abrupt and awkward. I think Fuji was supposed to trip Santana when the ref wasn't looking and shenanigans would ensue from there. Instead he just blatantly does it while the ref is staring at him and he has no choice but to call the DQ. Jose Lothario even runs over like he was supposed to clock Fuji or let the ref know what happened. Maybe someone called an audible and told Fuji to do it and pull the plug on the whole thing? As I said, its a really bad match.

 

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I was kinda eh watching a Scott Hall photo shoot but they threw out some shit I wasn't expecting.  Razor Ramon vignettes including Vince giving Scott advice while wearing a hideous outfit, even for him, fans shouting shit and ruining the promos (but they can't do anything about it because they never got a permit) and Walter Payton blowing a promo because Razor literally says "Yeah!" during it and that was enough to throw him off.  That and a RAW cameraman leaving the camera on while sharing an elevator with The Undertaker.  LOVE the outtakes.  

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They put up a Network Collection on Triple H vs Undertaker featuring every singles match they had from 96-12, sixteen in total with 3 of them being the Hidden Gem uploads for last week. Makes for a fun watch in succession and seeing the changes over time. Amusing seeing stuff like Taker beating HHH with a pull the tights rollup at KOTR 02 then just two months later their face/heel roles are swapped in their match on RAW. Interesting that their first 7 matches in 96-99 all ended in DQs. Rewatching it I still find WrestleMania 27 to be an amazing spectacle of a match, great storytelling, and still get chills on the all-time great near fall from the Triple H Tombstone spot, perfect. Also dug the Insurrextion 02 match a lot. Overall the score would be 10-5-1 for Taker, but if you eliminate all the DQs the rivalry is actually pretty even at 4-3 Taker with just pins/subs.. so if HHH wins on Saturday they'll end it even.

Match result listing:


1. Triple H defeats Undertaker via DQ when Undertaker used a steel chain that HHH brought in (Kuwait Cup, 5/11/96, Hidden Gem Upload)
2. Triple H defeats Undertaker via DQ when Undertaker used the IC Title on HHH (Shotgun Saturday Night, 2/8/97, Hidden Gem Upload)
3. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ when Mankind interfered (RAW, 4/21/97)
4. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ when Shawn Michaels interfered (Friday Night's Main Event, 9/5/97, Hidden Gem Upload)
5. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ when Rick Rude interfered (RAW, 9/29/97)
6. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ when The Rock interfered (RAW, 6/21/99)
7. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ when Steve Austin interfered (RAW, 7/19/99)
8. Triple H defeats Undertaker via pinfall in a No DQ Match after Kurt Angle interfered, accidentally hitting Undertaker with the sledgehammer (Smackdown, 7/13/00)
9. Undertaker defeats Triple H via pinfall after the Last Ride (WrestleMania X7, 4/1/01)
10. Triple H vs. Undertaker went to a no contest in a No Holds Barred match after Steve Austin and Kane interfere (Smackdown, 5/17/01)
11. Triple H defeats Undertaker via pinfall after the Pedigree (Insurrextion, 5/4/02)
12. Undertaker defeats Triple H via pinfall with a rollup w/ tights pulled (King of the Ring, 6/23/02)
13. Triple H defeats Undertaker via pinfall after Brock Lesnar interfered, hitting Undertaker with the WWE Title. (RAW, 8/26/02)
14. Undertaker defeats Triple H via DQ after The Big Show interfered (Smackdown, 10/24/08)
15. Undertaker defeats Triple H via Hells Gate submission (WrestleMania 27, 4/3/11)
16. Undertaker defeats Triple H via pinfall with the Tombstone in Hell in a Cell (WrestleMania 28, 4/1/12)


 
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On 9/25/2018 at 9:31 AM, Pete said:

Hall looks like an old Borscht Belt comedian now and I don't know how I feel about it.

Considering most of us probably didn't expect Scott Hall to live long enough to look, I'd say it's not such a bad thing.

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The Hidden Gems this week

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Lou Thesz vs. Wild Bill Longson (Texas Rasslin’, 6/17/52)
Karl Gotch and Rene Goulet vs. The Rugged Russians (WWE MSG event, 1/31/72)
Danny Hodge and Jos Leduc vs. Pak Song and Toru Tanaka (Championship Wrestling from Florida, 11/12/74)
Nobuhiko Takada vs. Athol Foley (Stampede, 8/12/83)
Billy Robinson vs. Rick Martel (AWA, 10/18/84)

@Matt D

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41 minutes ago, hammerva said:

Plus we can see if Rene Goulet was ever good because all I have seen is the mid 1980's version which wasn't very impressive.

The 4/28/86 Prime Time Wrestling ep on the Network has a really fun Goulet/Lanny Poffo match. The kind of performance that can change your mind about him.

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So over the last month, WWE Network has posted pristine remastered film of Pedro Morales' first MSG title defense in 1971, and other MSG main events from around that time period. 

Pedro's win over Ivan Koloff has been released through various channels during the DVD/YouTube era.

It's no longer inconceivable that Ivan's win over Bruno is in WWE's vault waiting to be found or converted, is it?

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Pedro's title win was on a Coliseum Video that came out in 1987.  There was no mystery behind it.  

Ivan beating Bruno has been on YouTube for years.  There's no audio so the "can hear a pin drop " pin can't be proven but Koloff definitely got the fuck out before the belt was put around him.  If anything, the shoddy quality proves WWF didn't record or save anything until the late 70s.

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Hidden Gems for this week:

Johnny Rodz vs. Carlos Colon (WWWF, 1977), Konnan vs. Art Barr (WWF, 1992), Super Crazy vs. El Hijo del Santo (WWF Super Astros, 1998), and Eddie Guerrero vs. Nova (OVW, 2002). @EricR @Matt D @Phil Schneider

Is that the first Super Astros content on the network?

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