Brian Fowler Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, Matt D said: I trust critics more than Venom fans. I trust Russian operatives more than Venom fans, but I have free passes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Venom was fine. Hardy was entertaining and I liked the way they portrayed the voice and his internal struggles. It wasn't great but it was basically your average comic book origins movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Anyone who said "Catwoman" is just clickbait but I don't read that shit anyway, there's very few professional critics left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 8:50 PM, Matt D said: I trust critics more than Venom fans. I'm a Venon fan and never once thought this would be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Apparently it's actually been a financial success in it's first weekend. Which, if they carry on with a Sony Marvelverse, are they going to have 2 Spider-Men? Peter Parker in the Avengers, and Miles Morales in the Sony-verse? Or is there some other alternative babyface they have the rights to? Venom and Black Cat are both heelish tweeners, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Spider-Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I didn't hate it. A lot of the jokes worked for me. The action wasn't great, was poorly edited, and a big final fight at night between an all black CGI blob and a dark grey CGI blob is not the best decision ever. I mentioned Transformers method earlier in the thread and that definitely rang true. Tom Hardy needs to enunciate better. Which isn't a new problem for him, but it continues to bother me. Otherwise he was good. The interplay between him and the symbiote was easily the best part of the movie. Fuck that sequel tease forever. Although I guess that's where you'd have to go with a part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 If the Sonyverse is going to keep pumping out trash which has no good reason to be a movie in this decade, I say they go all in and do a Ben Reilly movie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: If the Sonyverse is going to keep pumping out trash which has no good reason to be a movie in this decade, I say they go all in and do a Ben Reilly movie. Starring blonde Tom Holland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Sorry but $80M Opening says that a lot of people are still interested in Venom. The 90's lives on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Sorry but $80M Opening says that a lot of people are still interested in Venom. The 90's lives on... Oddly, the audience was only 36% over 25. Which means.... Um... Something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, Brian Fowler said: Oddly, the audience was only 36% over 25. Which means.... Um... Something? A lot of Dads sat their children down and passed on the tales of Venom and Carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Sounds like an epidemic of child abuse. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 So outside of the cartoons the only Venom and Carnage stories I'm familiar with are Flash's Agent Venom, Conway's maxi with Brock and an FBI team hunting Carnage down, and the first volume of Brock's return as Venom. All of those were generally solid or more. Was the stuff before those really so bad that they scarred some of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Me it's the cartoons, Amazing Spider-man #299-300, Anti-Venom, Agent Venom and Minimum Carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Venom spoiler: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 9 hours ago, Eivion said: So outside of the cartoons the only Venom and Carnage stories I'm familiar with are Flash's Agent Venom, Conway's maxi with Brock and an FBI team hunting Carnage down, and the first volume of Brock's return as Venom. All of those were generally solid or more. Was the stuff before those really so bad that they scarred some of you? It's not just that they're bad (although Maximum Carnage is all-time level bad. In the Marvel offices it was often called Maximum Garbage while it was being punished!) It's that they are endemic of a certain era and style of comics that many of us consider to be arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the industry. Grim and gritty anti-hero stuff. A character thar seemingly overnight went from wanting to eat brains to "protector of the innocent" with a new villain that was just a more extreme version of Venom, who was already a more extreme evil Spider-Man. Throw in Carnage having a body count that would make the Joker blush... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 My wife's nephew saw it and described it as being similar to the Evil Dead. Couple things here...He is just a sophomore in high school and I'm not sure if he was referring to Evil Dead 2 or Ash vs the Evil Dead. Either way, the comparison got my attention way more than anything else and for being a high schooler, he normally has good taste in tv shows and movies. I wish we still had a dollar theater here because it would be perfect for that. As it is, we'd have to spend $40 to see it in the fancy theater here and for that much, I'm comfortable just waiting to buy it sight unseen. As for Maximum Carnage, I remember that being one of the times I dipped out on regularly buying Spider-Man comics. It just got to be too much to follow and it wasn't interesting. I also earlier switched over to DC with the Death of Superman storyline and everything that followed that. I just remember riding my bike to my local comic store, flipping through whatever issue of Maximum Carnage and seeing shit like Doppleganger and wondering WTF was going on. I wouldn't be surprised If Marvel really called it Maximum Garbage. This was right around the time they filed for bankruptcy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Yeah, I saw Venom over the weekend and it was fine. I would've been fine with Venom and Tom Hardy talking shit to each other for an hour. The post credit scene was okay. I think that's the absolute correct actor to play Carnage. Though, I really would've liked a scene where the symbiote is talking to Eddie and asks him about his time in New York and Eddie brushes it off but says something like "one guy cost me my job... Parker." But you gotta save something for the sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: It's not just that they're bad (although Maximum Carnage is all-time level bad. In the Marvel offices it was often called Maximum Garbage while it was being punished!) It's that they are endemic of a certain era and style of comics that many of us consider to be arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the industry. Grim and gritty anti-hero stuff. A character thar seemingly overnight went from wanting to eat brains to "protector of the innocent" with a new villain that was just a more extreme version of Venom, who was already a more extreme evil Spider-Man. Throw in Carnage having a body count that would make the Joker blush... Ah, I can see why you might hold a slight grudge then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wrote a conference paper back in the mid 90s about the growth of the anti hero and villain as hero in comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob Skeeter Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Yeah, I saw Venom over the weekend and it was fine. I would've been fine with Venom and Tom Hardy talking shit to each other for an hour. The post credit scene was okay. I think that's the absolute correct actor to play Carnage. Though, I really would've liked a scene where the symbiote is talking to Eddie and asks him about his time in New York and Eddie brushes it off but says something like "one guy cost me my job... Parker." But you gotta save something for the sequel. http://collider.com/venom-spider-man-easter-eggs/ The first one occurs during the dinner date we see between Eddie Brock (Tom Hardy) and Anne Weying (Michelle Williams), when Anne says to Eddie, “We don’t want a repeat of New York.” The Big Apple is, of course, where Peter Parker lives, and the entirety of Venom is largely influenced by the comics arc “Lethal Protector” which saw Venom making an agreement with Spider-Man to leave New York and move to San Francisco—where Venom takes place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Count me among those that liked Venom. Though I would like to see this 40 minutes that Hardy says was cut from the film and was his favorite stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Venom continued to justify its existence over the weekend. It will probably make enough global money to warrant a sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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