Raw 12-22-14 - Christmas Show

[MGFanJay]

Loved Harper-Dolph. Roman-Show was an amazing disaster. Bray-Dean was fun, but wow is Dean just dead. The company's really doomed with all the bad booking going on undercutting possible main event acts.

 

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[Raziel]

This fued with Dean has really exposed how horrible Bray is. That match was bad, as was the finish killing what little was left of Dean's momentum.

[Matt D]

WWE logic almost says that with this many losses, Ambrose is winning the rumble. If he loses that too and on the February PPV, then maybe he gets to win Steph as his wife at Mania.

[Reed]

You know things are bad when being distracted by a SPOOKY GHOST HOLOGRAM~! isn't even the worst booking thing to happen to Ambrose all year.

[NintendoLogic]

I tuned in just in time to see Dean and Bray tossing each other into Christmas trees. It's a sad statement on the extent to which fans have been conditioned when the only pops in street fights come from stunt spots involving tables and ladders. It's way past time to start reining this crap in.

[Lamp, broken circa 1988]

so we're doing Dean like this because Roman's back, right?

[Overly Critical Man]

The crowd was giving Bray the "What" chants. It looks like this is the beginning of the end...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...until he pops out of another hologram with another "rebirth".

[mco543]

I'm not entirely sure that Wyatt is better than Rowan at this point, I know he damn sure isn't better than Harper. I posted around SummerSlam time that maybe the reason Bray didn't get the huge push people clamored for was because his ring work wasn't that good and it seems like I was right. If the match isn't based on hokum/plunder or with a superworker like Bryan it's not that good. He was so well protected and sheltered in those great six man tags that now that he's on his own he's been completely exposed. Maybe he'd be better off leading a group and not working regularly or as a special attraction. Put him with The Ascension or something as their leader and mouthpiece and they can do a fuckton of 6 mans against Dean and the Usos and shit.

[ebbie]

I love how Orton and Otunga had a better street fight involving a bunch of Christmas shit than two guys that have been pegged as WWE's saving grace.

 

 

I am more concerned that they have kill the Bellas dead even though they have become lil cash piggies for the company.

[JCM]

I feel sorry for the guys out their busting their ass while "creative" is giving them next to nothing to work with.  Just throwing guys out there to die in matches the fans didn't care about the first 20 times they saw them. Yeah Dean is pretty much ditw at this point as a face though turning heel doesn't look like much better of an option given Rollins' epic losing streak. We better enjoy the golden age of NXT while it lasts. 

[Hollywood Cibernetico]

Cena wins at TLCS. Rollins wins on Raw inside the steel cage. Cena wins tonight on Raw.

 

Wyatt wins at TLCS. Ambrose wins at TTTT. Wyatt wins tonight on Raw.

 

Based off the Smackdown spoilers for this week it looks like one more person trades a win this week. Is there anyone I am missing?

 

The 'boring' chants and lukewarm in-ring reactions for Reigns (this is the second week in a row) is pretty concerning.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

I enjoyed Dolph/Harper and Paige as the goth Chirstmas diva, but that's about where my enjoyment of this ended. Maybe it's partially due to me being sick, but I just couldn't give a fuck about this show tonight.

[Reed]

Ambrose's career is so dead Spinal Tap is looking to hire it as their next drummer.

[Overly Critical Man]

I am more concerned that they have kill the Bellas dead even though they have become lil cash piggies for the company.

 

They just need to follow up on this on the next season of Total Divas:

 

[JCM]

Hollywood Cibernetico, on 22 Dec 2014 - 11:24 PM, said:

Cena wins at TLCS. Rollins wins on Raw inside the steel cage. Cena wins tonight on Raw.

 

Wyatt wins at TLCS. Ambrose wins at TTTT. Wyatt wins tonight on Raw.

 

Based off the Smackdown spoilers for this week it looks like one more person trades a win this week. Is there anyone I am missing?

 

The 'boring' chants and lukewarm in-ring reactions for Reigns (this is the second week in a row) is pretty concerning.

Reigns brings nothing to the table. No personality, no fire, and very little in ring talent. The only way I see his weaknesses being hidden is to get the Goldberg push.

[ebbie]

Brie the reluctant lesbian?

[Overly Critical Man]

 

Hollywood Cibernetico, on 22 Dec 2014 - 11:24 PM, said:

Cena wins at TLCS. Rollins wins on Raw inside the steel cage. Cena wins tonight on Raw.

 

Wyatt wins at TLCS. Ambrose wins at TTTT. Wyatt wins tonight on Raw.

 

Based off the Smackdown spoilers for this week it looks like one more person trades a win this week. Is there anyone I am missing?

 

The 'boring' chants and lukewarm in-ring reactions for Reigns (this is the second week in a row) is pretty concerning.

Reigns brings nothing to the table. No personality, no fire, and very little in ring talent. The only way I see his weaknesses being hidden is to get the Goldberg push.

 

You better watch what you're saying, before you get punched in the mouf.

[Phantom Lord]

That Ziggler/Harper match was pretty damn good. Dolph can take one hell of a beating. After tonight and them constantly saying on commentary that ZIGGLER WANTS 2015 TO BE HIS YEAR, Ziggler needs to win the Rumble and face Lesnar. Dolph surviving Brock almost murdering him would make him a mega star.

 

Vince should be forced out of power if he thinks Reigns is the way to go. Reigns might be in another year or so, but the iron is like red hot with Dolph. It's now or never. He was only World Champion so in the WWE's mind that wasn't winning THE BIG ONE.

 

I dvr'ed the last hour after the Piper's Pit thing. These Piper's Pits just seem to get worse and worse.

 

Next week Edge and Christian and all the clips they used were from almost 15 years ago. Can Christian still wrestle or has his officially retired? I guess Edge is still bound to these one a year appearences in his contract or something.

[JCM]

I'm not the biggest Ziggler fan, but he has had two great performances in a row on ppv. I could get behind a Ziggler top babyface push at this point. Reigns is going to flop most likely and Vince will go back to Cena(because everyone else has had their balls cut off) faster than he went back to Hogan after Warrior won the belt. Rusev is the only other guy on the roster with any cred, and that ends at Mania.

[Niners Fan in CT]

I'm not entirely sure I'm sold on Reigns or Bray Wyatt as future main eventers in this company but there's way too much backlash being hurled their way. Bray has already proven to have some pretty great singles matches with Bryan at the Rumble last year and with Cena in the Last Man Standing match they had during their feud. Yeah, I know these are two of the better workers in the company but Bray was holding his own, it's not like he was Kane and they were trying to drag him to something respectable.

 

As for Reigns, yeah his promos have sucked but they are also wordy written bullshit. I don't blame him for not coming across well. But to say he has no charisma? I don't know about that. He has plenty of charisma when his job is to say a couple tough guy things and get to business. We were all praising him during The Shield run for his trash talking in the ring. He has plenty of physical charisma.

 

As for Dean Ambrose..  I love Dean Ambrose but when do we start discussing how he really only has a couple good matches since he's gone solo and they are with Rollins who has good matches with everyone?  Again, I love Ambrose but this idea that he's being dragged down in-ring by Bray and others..  Point to the matches. He does a lot of things well. I love all the small things Dean does in the ring, I love his chaotic style.. but when I think of memorable matches I'm not remembering many since he's gone solo.

[Skeeball Wizard]

So its been half an hour since the show ended and this thread is still on page one? Thanks for letting me know I can safely skip Raw this week.

Edit: well would you look at that timing...

[DreamBroken]

Thought Cena/Rollins was really good again, always enjoy their long matches together. Paige looked amazing, great to see her back on Raw, Emma too. Ziggler/Harper was awesome stuff again, another real good pairing. Could've used more Hogan instead of just one and done. Piper's Pit seemed real short too. Main event was fine but finish felt weak again.

[NintendoLogic]

Five years from now, we'll be looking back at Bray Wyatt the same way we look at Mr. Kennedy. "Man, I can't believe we used to like that guy. What the fuck were we thinking?"

[Matt D]

I do want to add that I thought all of Rollins' counters of Cena's stuff was a lot of fun. I liked how Cena responded by not running off the ropes when he finally hit the fist drop. He just dropped that thing immediately. That's a little thing that got Rollins' over to me as a threat more than winning ten bullshit matches. Not that we have announcers that could get that over to anyone.

[Hollywood Cibernetico]

I agree. I feel like Reigns is more Batista than Cena right now. It was clear in 2004 that Cena GOT IT and he was the right guy to begin moving toward the top. Batista looked the part but it took him years for people to finally full except him in that role. I feel Reigns is going to have a hard 2015 as the crowds cool on him and he is forced to learn how to actually work. The spots are fine, but what about everything else? 2016 or 2017 might be Reigns coming out party- but not 2015.