Elsalvajeloco Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I think Reed got unfairly piled-upon here. I agree with him, the accusations against Cosby sound worse than just about anybody else mentioned in this thread. At least in terms of sheer quantity, he's had lots more victims coming forward than the others. TBH I don't think anyone is arguing the number of women Cosby raped vs. anyone else. One is bad enough. I was saying that I wasn't going to rant about my disappointment or outrage because I know this guy's track record already and saw the facade that people put their faith in. Personally, I don't really allow myself to feel disappointed about people in the entertainment industry just because it's easy to be disappointed (from a fan standpoint) no matter how big or small the issue is. Hence, the examples I used with the black entertainers. How it turned into smoking weed = as bad as rape, only Reed can answer that. The Barker example is used because Reed felt that I needed to feel like I want to stab Cosby in the trachea and crush his windpipe. We've already had sufficient drilling into Cosby already. You don't need me to continue on doing that. If everybody has to go on a page long rant about how fucked up a celeb is, then we got some threads we should be starting right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 That's a damn good response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 To be fair, it's hardly a meltdown if it's part of a very long string of consistent behavior. I don't think that if you go back you'd find any real point of escalation, just a steady line running backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Damn, I am so happy to see someone mention Steve Harvey. What a phony sonofabitch he is. Rather sad when you look at the icons of daytime tv and it appears that about the only one who is really a nice person IRL is Jerry fucking Springer. Rachel Ray the cute girl next door, she's shrieking bitch who is a horror to work for or with, we all know about Paula Deen. Whoopi at best has just smoked way more of the ganja than is good for one. Of course, it's popular to hate on Guy Fieri because he's such an annoying fuck, I actually cut him a good deal of slack, he's the unpopular fat kid trying desperately (and failing miserably) to be cool. I find that much more understandable and tolerable than these others, especially the ones (like Harvey and RR) who are nasty to people just because they can get away with it (for now). Karma's a motherfucker folks, wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 Whoopi at best has just smoked way more of the ganja than is good for one. This is probably the best explanation for what has happened to Whoopi. Or she's just Cosby in drag and no one ever noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Or she's been a rape apologist for years, as evidenced by the Polanski rant when he was being held for extradition that never happened, indicating that she's always had fucked up ideas about sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Speaking of rich and out-of-touch delusional bastards, while I'm certainly not adamant about beating the Cosby horse, I am waiting for the day Steve Harvey gets his day at the guillotine. I don't think he is a rapist or anything, but he is basically a Cosby incarnate who had the nerve to write relationship books when he has been married 30 times. In addition, he has treated so many people like shit who are in the industry and those who aren't. However, since he is a darling among white soccer moms and TV execs, he gets a pass to act however he wants. That fall from grace? Yeah, sign me the fuck up. He doesn't have that safety net of relationships that Cosby had with comedians. So it's a case of when and not if. I very much agree, he's going to get it and it'll be spectacular. But it's amazing how despite people knowing he's an asshole and married many times they still love him. He's fake as anything and not even good at what he does. But then again soccer moms love Dr. Oz despite him being a fake as well. There's a lot of turning the brain off with the viewership of these shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Speaking of rich and out-of-touch delusional bastards, while I'm certainly not adamant about beating the Cosby horse, I am waiting for the day Steve Harvey gets his day at the guillotine. I don't think he is a rapist or anything, but he is basically a Cosby incarnate who had the nerve to write relationship books when he has been married 30 times. In addition, he has treated so many people like shit who are in the industry and those who aren't. However, since he is a darling among white soccer moms and TV execs, he gets a pass to act however he wants. That fall from grace? Yeah, sign me the fuck up. He doesn't have that safety net of relationships that Cosby had with comedians. So it's a case of when and not if. I very much agree, he's going to get it and it'll be spectacular. But it's amazing how despite people knowing he's an asshole and married many times they still love him. He's fake as anything and not even good at what he does. But then again soccer moms love Dr. Oz despite him being a fake as well. There's a lot of turning the brain off with the viewership of these shows. That and people really don't try to reference where people come from prior to them showing up on a mainstream platfrom. He went from being a popular black standup who only did black rooms to being able to do other rooms based on what hosting the Apollo, having a minor TV sitcom, and doing the Kings of Comedy did for his career. Then after that, he was able to have a nationally syndicated radio show targeted towards young black people and religious, older black people. Once he finally got the chance to be on a bigger stage, people did not look into the fact that he started sabotaging other comedians' careers after he gained that early success. If you listen to other comedians who spent their time with Harvey on the road, they do not speak glowingly about him AT ALL. If you were funnier than him, you could not open for him or he would cut your time down. Also, in the case of what happened with Bernie Mac, it really showed how much of a fake he was. When the Kings of Comedy tour started, Bernie Mac was the opener IIRC and Steve was the headliner. Then, as the tour rolled on, Bernie was killing it while Steve Harvey was eating his ass bad on stage. This forced the movie version to have Steve opening the show and the host with Bernie being the fourth guy out on the stage. He was really resentful about Mac getting that success even though Bernie had been around as long as him and been a comedy legend and pioneer in Chicago. Bernie was the exact opposite of Steve in that young comedians from Chicago or anywhere else could be around him if they were funny and had a chance to grow their career. The resentment Steve had for Bernie pretty much ended their relationship on bad terms up UNTIL Bernie Mac died. Yet, Steve acted like they had been friends the entire time and was there to the very end. I get when people die to let bygones be bygones. This still doesn't mean you can try to change the entire narrative of a relationship, especially considering he tried to take his role in Ocean's Eleven and do other shitty stuff to sabotage Bernie Mac's career. Steve Harvey is an all time dirty and fake motherfucker, but you're average housewife isn't going to research or care to look that up. For everyone else, if it's not on Twitter or a Deadspin article, they're probably not going to care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Plus the whole "I was into condemning Cosby before Hannibal Burress made it cool" thing is so hipster...Eh. It's not like the allegations were all that secret before Burress. And, really, it's not like Burress is some huge name that is all over the place. Me, I was surprised so many people were surprised when this round of allegations spun up since I was aware of the lawsuit and settlement back when it happened (2005) and thought it was widely known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Sharon Osbourne is my personal daytime target. Mailed her shit in a box to Tony Iommi, threw eggs at Iron Maiden onstage, removed the rhythm section from Blizzard of Ozz because she didn't want to pay royalties... the list goes on. What a horrible fucking person that is looked at as just peachy by the citizenry. Hell, Jerry's a disgraced ex-politician and most people don't know that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonial Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Matter of fact, Bob Barker was making women on his show suck his dick anytime he wanted them to against their will and brought out several different lawsuits. People made jokes about this (see Paul Mooney on his 1994 special). People knew about this and continued hosting his show for several more years. Even had one of the highest rated Raws of all time for a host. The level of not giving a fuck about this only matches mine. Why? Because I don't give a shit about Bob Barker. So there is nothing to be disappointing for me about Bob Barker. He is a dude that hosted a silly game show on TV. I ain't seen one "Bob Barker is a monster" thread. Personally, I now want to delve into the darkside of Bob Barker. Oh, sure, He acted like a harmless old octogenarian who liked animals and flowers. But he always struck me as the spawn of Satan sent to wreak destruction on earth. . We need to hear more about Bob aka Damian aka SPAWN OF LUCIFER. I was once in the same room with Barker more than a decade ago. I had attended a convention that included a ceremony honoring legends from game show. I had a chance to briefly speak with both Betty White and Dick Clark, both of whom were friendly and cordial. Barker was there to deliver a speech about Ralph Edwards, the man who created "Truth or Consequences", the show that introduced Barker to the nation (he would later co-create "The People's Court". Edwards was not there due to his age, but Barker allegedly had lunch with Edwards every year on the latter's birthday until he died). Before the ceremony (and before the celebs arrived), the organizer gathered the civilian attendees about what to expect, as well as "dos and don'ts". All of the dos and don'ts were about Barker. They included ... 1) Don't eat any meat dishes, since Barker is an animal rights activist and militant vegetarian. He's been known to walk out of events that serve meat dishes. We had salad that day. 2) Do not look him in the eye 3) Do not approach him 4) Do not talk to him 5) He will come in, deliver his speech, and go. He's not into small talk and such. He came to the convention 20 minutes late with an entourage of handlers (no one else had handlers). Someone recognized him and started a standing ovation on his behalf. Remember his "I want to give everyone a fridge" remark when he hosted RAW? Did the same there. To his credit, he did stay longer when he learned the convention was honoring another host, the late Bill Cullen. He asked the organizer if he could talk about Cullen for 2-3 minutes, and he did (Cullen was extremely liked in the businesses -- no one had a bad word to say about him). But after that, he left, and it was right before Cullen's widow was about to speak. A year or two, I recall hearing that someone was working on a tell-all about Barker, but that nothing may come out it until he passes away. If that book comes out, expect more than a few bombshells. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 ...and in more horrible news (albeit some that isn't very surprising), Kim Fowley of rock-manager-huckster infamy has finally been outed by Jackie Fox of the Runaways of being a rapist, 30 plus years later and after his demise. If anything, the Cosby situation influenced her to open up and hopefully will open up others to be honest about their own plights. http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/the-lost-girls/ Fowley being a degenerate fuck is hardly news and he's dead anyway, but the real news here is what a bunch of cunts the Runaways were and continue to be about Fox's rape...I mean, it's one thing to write off making fun of it at the time to teenage cruelty and immaturity, but the fact that Joan Jett and Lita Ford are still playing it off like Fox is being a drama queen to this day is kinda sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Apparently Mrs. Cosby believes that all the women "consented" to being drugged. . . Yep http://nypost.com/2015/07/12/bill-cosbys-wife-says-accusers-consented-to-drugs-and-sex/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow From the linked article: Mrs. Cosby is “a proud, dignified but stubborn woman. You can say that she’s standing by her husband, but really, the more people stand against him, the more she perceives it as an affront to her and all that she’s done to make him a star,” said another source who’s done business with the Cosbys and remains close to them. Camille Cosby, 71, who is also her 78-year-old husband’s business manager, demanded last week at a crisis meeting with advisers that their lawyers and p.r. specialists “get back out in front of this,” the business source said. “I created him, I knew what I was getting and we’ll fix this,” she told the gathering at a meeting at the couple’s Shelburne Falls, Mass., home Tuesday night. “They are making him out to be such a bad guy, a monster,” Camille said, according to the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Bob Barker was a rapist??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Vice wrote a really good article about how Cosby's stated and demonstrated sense of morality is perfectly in line with him being a serial raping piece of shit. Touches on some systemic issues as well. Worth reading in full. Spoiler tagging the relevant bit for length. http://www.vice.com/read/bill-cosbys-black-conservatism-aligns-perfectly-with-rape-culture-4567 This is the problem with respectability politics, the ideology that suggests people can overcome their systemic oppression by improving their personal behavior. It puts the pressure on individuals to singlehandedly be so great that they defeat a system designed to subjugate millions. And if they fail at the impossible, then they just aren't good enough. It is, in essence, victim blaming. The other problem with respectability politics is if you genuinely believe that each individual must singlehandedly overcome their structural oppression, then you have zero incentive to stop the oppression in the first place. It's up to them to stop it. And if they can't, tough shit. This actually works out pretty well for the oppressor. And if the oppressor happens to be a member of an oppressed group, it makes for a particularly sinister intersection. The sentiment is something like, "I over came this oppression by being awesome, so I'm not sure what your problem is." This is at the core of why, when Cosby gave his "Pound Cake Speech," the NAACP crowd of Great Black Men Who Did Great Things, just applauded, stamped, and laughed. They didn't tell him to sit his Uncle Tom ass down and shut up for spouting off the rhetoric of a racist troll because in many cases their livelihoods are just as beholden to extolling mythic individualism as Cosby's. The pernicious concept behind oppression being the oppressed's problem also aligns Cosby's politics of respectability with the "she was asking for it" element of rape culture. In thinking about this connection, I couldn't help recalling a bit I heard Cosby do in the 1986 standup recording "Those of You with or Without Children, You'll Understand." In explaining why he doesn't need to talk to his son the same way he does his daughters about birth control, he theorizes, "It's the female's job to protect herself. It's like a goalie... you have to keep people from scoring on you." The audience groans, Cosby's wife sets him straight, and eventually he talks to his boy. It's played for laughs. But in light of his rape allegations, it's chilling. He couldn't have made it any plainer. A woman must protect herself. A man has no obligation to control his behavior. As gross as the bit is, just like the NAACP speech, you can hear men and women in that audience cheering for him on the recording. They probably stood up and asked for an encore. I honestly think he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong. And that's fucked up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Vice wrote a really good article about how Cosby's stated and demonstrated sense of morality is perfectly in line with him being a serial raping piece of shit. Touches on some systemic issues as well. Worth reading in full. Spoiler tagging the relevant bit for length. http://www.vice.com/read/bill-cosbys-black-conservatism-aligns-perfectly-with-rape-culture-4567 This is the problem with respectability politics, the ideology that suggests people can overcome their systemic oppression by improving their personal behavior. It puts the pressure on individuals to singlehandedly be so great that they defeat a system designed to subjugate millions. And if they fail at the impossible, then they just aren't good enough. It is, in essence, victim blaming. The other problem with respectability politics is if you genuinely believe that each individual must singlehandedly overcome their structural oppression, then you have zero incentive to stop the oppression in the first place. It's up to them to stop it. And if they can't, tough shit. This actually works out pretty well for the oppressor. And if the oppressor happens to be a member of an oppressed group, it makes for a particularly sinister intersection. The sentiment is something like, "I over came this oppression by being awesome, so I'm not sure what your problem is." This is at the core of why, when Cosby gave his "Pound Cake Speech," the NAACP crowd of Great Black Men Who Did Great Things, just applauded, stamped, and laughed. They didn't tell him to sit his Uncle Tom ass down and shut up for spouting off the rhetoric of a racist troll because in many cases their livelihoods are just as beholden to extolling mythic individualism as Cosby's. The pernicious concept behind oppression being the oppressed's problem also aligns Cosby's politics of respectability with the "she was asking for it" element of rape culture. In thinking about this connection, I couldn't help recalling a bit I heard Cosby do in the 1986 standup recording "Those of You with or Without Children, You'll Understand." In explaining why he doesn't need to talk to his son the same way he does his daughters about birth control, he theorizes, "It's the female's job to protect herself. It's like a goalie... you have to keep people from scoring on you." The audience groans, Cosby's wife sets him straight, and eventually he talks to his boy. It's played for laughs. But in light of his rape allegations, it's chilling. He couldn't have made it any plainer. A woman must protect herself. A man has no obligation to control his behavior. As gross as the bit is, just like the NAACP speech, you can hear men and women in that audience cheering for him on the recording. They probably stood up and asked for an encore. I honestly think he doesn't believe he's done anything wrong. And that's fucked up. That article pretty much sums up my feelings about the whole respectability thing. It is always someone justifying a bigger crime with a smaller offense. It is always, that person deserved to die, get hurt, be arrested, be discriminated against because of his clothes, his music, the way he talked, his lack of wealth, his hair style, some random petty crime he committed, the fact that he got into a fight when he was a teenager, he once smoked weed, etc. It is all bullshit, but it seems to be an opinion of a lot of people. It is basically the major problem with the war on drugs. I read somewhere that something like 70% of the population of the country will at some point break a federal drug law(We lock up millions of people a year for simple possession). We treat drug offenders worse than any other offenders, but in reality almost everyone at some point in time has been one of those people. So a 16 year old goes to full fledged adult prison for possession of marijuana, and we all get to judge that person for the rest of their life like they are a criminal. We don't care about that crime, we just want to be able to look at someone and claim we're better than them. It is shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 It's the result of that kind of self-rightsousness that suggests that you can't have confidence in yourself, for fear of looking "boastful" or "egotistical" or "narcissistic." One of the "seven deadly sins?" Pride. So we pick our high grounds where we can get 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 As the guy who was once an ignorant 20-year-old white dickbag complaining about his roommate "playing into shitty black stereotypes" parts of that were really hard to read. I imagine it was worse for people who are not white and have had to put up with Cosby-esque bullshit for their entire lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Hope Damon Wayans didn't have any comeback plans. . . . http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/05/damon-wayans-defends-bill-cosby-makes-quaalude-joke-calls-bitches-un-rape-able.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Wow...I mean there's uninformed, there's denial and then there's whatever Wayans is saying. Whole new level of crazy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I just want to take a moment to be glad that Mr. Rogers seemed like a legit good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I just want to take a moment to be glad that Mr. Rogers seemed like a legit good guy...who enjoyed playing God by building (or imagining) an entire kingdom of humanoid puppets to torture and bend to his will and forcing his clearly terrified local mail carrier to engage in his bizarre fantasies. Yeah. He was aces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I just want to take a moment to be glad that Mr. Rogers seemed like a legit good guy...who enjoyed playing God by building (or imagining) an entire kingdom of humanoid puppets to torture and bend to his will and forcing his clearly terrified local mail carrier to engage in his bizarre fantasies. Yeah. He was aces. You... you.... YOU MONSTER! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVanderlay Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As much as I loved his stand-up, I'm kind of glad Patrice O'Neal isn't around to comment on this, b/c he said some pretty misogynistic things in his "straight" interviews on Opie & Anthony and always referred to women as "bitches" so I'm pretty sure he'd say something really stupid and get himself in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I just want to take a moment to be glad that Mr. Rogers seemed like a legit good guy...who enjoyed playing God by building (or imagining) an entire kingdom of humanoid puppets to torture and bend to his will and forcing his clearly terrified local mail carrier to engage in his bizarre fantasies. Yeah. He was aces. You... you.... YOU MONSTER! I'm just glad I didn't go with Mr. Wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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