The Nature Boy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Without discussing RAW, I just want to state my love of The Miz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 So, WWE was just in St. Louis last night......... Well, that was close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This is only tangentially related to tonight's Raw, but does anyone know how many times Big Show has turned? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Nature Boy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This is only tangentially related to tonight's Raw, but does anyone know how many times Big Show has turned? From Reddit (through October 2013): Giant debuts in WCW as a heel. By mid-'96 he's suddenly a tweener, or a face. Who the hell knows. One week he was feuding with the Horsemen, the next week he was facing Sting. He was a face against a heel Hogan in their World title match. Giant turns heel and joins the nWo weeks after losing the World title to Hogan. August of '96. Four months later Giant is kicked out of the nWo. Face turn. Giant joins nWo Hollywood, thus turning heel in '98. January '99. The week after the Fingerpoke of Doom. Giant is kicked out of the nWo again. February '99, PAUL WIGHT jumps ship and debuts as a heel BY BREAKING THROUGH THE RING FROM UNDERNEATH when he interferes in Austin/McMahon cage match. A little after a month later he turns face by knocking out McMahon. 4 months later he turns heel by tagging up with Undertaker. 2 months & a couple weeks later Big Show turns face when Albert and Big Boss Man do the FATHER IS DEAD storyline. 3 months later Big Show turns heel when Rock refuses Big Show's help against the New Age Outlaws, which pisses off Show and causes him to attack Rock. 3 months later (Right after WrestleMania 2000) he turns face when he starts these impersonations of wrestlers. Big Show turns heel, by choke slamming Shane after Shane was recruiting guys to join WCW. This lead to the Shane/Big Show Last Man Standing Match at Backlash 2001. Three months later Big Show turns face when he aligns himself with Billy Gunn to form the Show Gunns tag team. Big show turns on Austin to join the nWo. April 2002. Big Show returns from injury as a face. 2004. Big Show is drafted to the new ECW and turns heel. Big Show returns at No Way Out '08 as a face, but it was only short lived before he attacked Rey Mysterio and turned heel. Two months later he turns back face during a Great Khali/Big Show feud. (Kinda by default really) Five months later he turns heel by saving Vickie from Undertaker. Big Show beats Jericho (captain of Team Smackdown) to earn a spot on Team Raw. Face tease. October 2009. *Weeks later Team Smackdown beat Team Raw at Bragging Rights due to Big Show turning on Team Raw. April 2010 Big Show punches out Miz and turns face. The Big Show was drafted to the Smackdown brand (he turned face and made pals with SmackDown general manager Theodore Long) May 21, 2012 Big Show returns as a heel due to receiving John Laurinaitis' ironclad contract after Laurinaitis had previously fired him, and knocks out John Cena March 9, 2013 (face turn) Big Show helped Randy Orton and Sheamus against the Shield. At WrestleMania 29, Big Show, Sheamus, and Randy Orton lost to the Shield when Orton was pinned after stealing a hot tag from Big Show. After the match, a frustrated Big Show knocked out Orton and Sheamus for repeatedly refusing to tag him in the match. August 12, 2013 (face turn) Big Show returns from some time off to help Mark Henry and Rob Van Dam fend off a Shield attack October 6, 2013 after crying a lot from doing the McMahons' bidding to faces, he KOs Daniel Bryan in the main event of the Battleground PPV, a few minutes later he also KOs Randy Orton as the show goes off the air 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 And here I always thought Mantaur was the only Bruiser Mastino.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'll post a Sting related item: Why did WWE feel the need to change Sting's theme? The mark out moment would've been magnified x1000 if this had hit: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That theme they gave him is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 So, WWE was just in St. Louis last night......... Well, that was close. WWE said about a week ago that they would have extra security outside the arena last night, because it was possible the annoucement was gonna come them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That theme they gave him is terrible. I don't see the reason for the change. The version of the Crow theme used in the WWE 2K15 ads would've been great. Sometimes WWE changes things for the sake of changing them and that sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dank Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm just looking foward to no HHH and Stephanie promos for a while. Oh come on, they'll probably get 20 minutes tonight. wut wut! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That theme they gave him is terrible. I don't see the reason for the change. The version of the Crow theme used in the WWE 2K15 ads would've been great. Sometimes WWE changes things for the sake of changing them and that sucks. They probably don't own the rights to the music from the commercial, as it was done 3rd party for 2k games by Heyman's ad agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 They own the rights to it. They released it on iTunes in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This is only tangentially related to tonight's Raw, but does anyone know how many times Big Show has turned? From Reddit (through October 2013): Giant debuts in WCW as a heel. By mid-'96 he's suddenly a tweener, or a face. Who the hell knows. One week he was feuding with the Horsemen, the next week he was facing Sting. He was a face against a heel Hogan in their World title match. Giant turns heel and joins the nWo weeks after losing the World title to Hogan. August of '96. Four months later Giant is kicked out of the nWo. Face turn. Giant joins nWo Hollywood, thus turning heel in '98. January '99. The week after the Fingerpoke of Doom. Giant is kicked out of the nWo again. February '99, PAUL WIGHT jumps ship and debuts as a heel BY BREAKING THROUGH THE RING FROM UNDERNEATH when he interferes in Austin/McMahon cage match. A little after a month later he turns face by knocking out McMahon. 4 months later he turns heel by tagging up with Undertaker. 2 months & a couple weeks later Big Show turns face when Albert and Big Boss Man do the FATHER IS DEAD storyline. 3 months later Big Show turns heel when Rock refuses Big Show's help against the New Age Outlaws, which pisses off Show and causes him to attack Rock. 3 months later (Right after WrestleMania 2000) he turns face when he starts these impersonations of wrestlers. Big Show turns heel, by choke slamming Shane after Shane was recruiting guys to join WCW. This lead to the Shane/Big Show Last Man Standing Match at Backlash 2001. Three months later Big Show turns face when he aligns himself with Billy Gunn to form the Show Gunns tag team. Big show turns on Austin to join the nWo. April 2002. Big Show returns from injury as a face. 2004. Big Show is drafted to the new ECW and turns heel. Big Show returns at No Way Out '08 as a face, but it was only short lived before he attacked Rey Mysterio and turned heel. Two months later he turns back face during a Great Khali/Big Show feud. (Kinda by default really) Five months later he turns heel by saving Vickie from Undertaker. Big Show beats Jericho (captain of Team Smackdown) to earn a spot on Team Raw. Face tease. October 2009. *Weeks later Team Smackdown beat Team Raw at Bragging Rights due to Big Show turning on Team Raw. April 2010 Big Show punches out Miz and turns face. The Big Show was drafted to the Smackdown brand (he turned face and made pals with SmackDown general manager Theodore Long) May 21, 2012 Big Show returns as a heel due to receiving John Laurinaitis' ironclad contract after Laurinaitis had previously fired him, and knocks out John Cena March 9, 2013 (face turn) Big Show helped Randy Orton and Sheamus against the Shield. At WrestleMania 29, Big Show, Sheamus, and Randy Orton lost to the Shield when Orton was pinned after stealing a hot tag from Big Show. After the match, a frustrated Big Show knocked out Orton and Sheamus for repeatedly refusing to tag him in the match. August 12, 2013 (face turn) Big Show returns from some time off to help Mark Henry and Rob Van Dam fend off a Shield attack October 6, 2013 after crying a lot from doing the McMahons' bidding to faces, he KOs Daniel Bryan in the main event of the Battleground PPV, a few minutes later he also KOs Randy Orton as the show goes off the air You missed the one from 2000 when he turned on Undertaker and joined Shane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That theme they gave him is terrible. I don't see the reason for the change. The version of the Crow theme used in the WWE 2K15 ads would've been great. Sometimes WWE changes things for the sake of changing them and that sucks. I'd have given him Raven's old WWF theme, that was quality. Of course we'd have all then shit over him being given Raven's theme instead of a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Why can't Rollins cash in MITB right now, and win by forfeit as Lesnar isn't at the arena? Both competitors have to be in the ring? I'm frustrated that the lack of a champion hasn't been brought up enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 It's hardly been brought up at all, which you would think defies the point of having an absentee champion. Who is gaining from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The logical storyline from day 1 was the Authority desperately wanted the title off of Cena. They made a deal with the devil by scheduling Lesnar v. Cena at Summerslam. Title goes on Lesnar who refuses to cooperate with the Authority and has no interest in showing up or defending the title. Lesnar is contractually obligated to appear for a rematch against Cena. The Authority stacks the deck in Cena's favor (strange bedfellows) with the plan to have Rollins cash in immediately after Cena regains the title. What they did instead is borderline idiotic. You're not increasing the prestige of the title by having the champ not mentioned and not involved in the broad storyline in any way other than a match two ppvs from now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The logical storyline from day 1 was the Authority desperately wanted the title off of Cena. They made a deal with the devil by scheduling Lesnar v. Cena at Summerslam. Title goes on Lesnar who refuses to cooperate with the Authority and has no interest in showing up or defending the title. Lesnar is contractually obligated to appear for a rematch against Cena. The Authority stacks the deck in Cena's favor (strange bedfellows) with the plan to have Rollins cash in immediately after Cena regains the title. What they did instead is borderline idiotic. You're not increasing the prestige of the title by having the champ not mentioned and not involved in the broad storyline in any way other than a match two ppvs from now. ...and by that in order for Cena to force Brock to defend the title he needs The Authority to order the rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre013 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If Lesnar is indeed going to UFC to get beat around by Cormier and Velasquez, that match where they expect him to do the honors is going to be ugly. I can only go by the Mania clusterfuck with Goldberg and his multiple excuses after losses in the UFC, but Brock could use some lessons in "grace". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I could live with Paul E as commissioner if Brock does leave after WM. He would be a good heel commissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If Lesnar is indeed going to UFC to get beat around by Cormier and Velasquez, that match where they expect him to do the honors is going to be ugly. I can only go by the Mania clusterfuck with Goldberg and his multiple excuses after losses in the UFC, but Brock could use some lessons in "grace". Inoki would insist on keeping Brock on the WWE payroll as he lost shoot fights. Then Inoki would get Bray Wyatt a gig in a cage fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Two excellent reasons to be thankful that Inoki isn't running WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'd love to see a promoted UFC bout with a WWE guy that devolves into sports entertainment hokiness. Would anyone really be that angry to fork over for a PPV that featured a main event involving zombie situps, hulk-ups, a babyface comeback and then a finish involving an elbow drop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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