Jiji Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Killshot was massacred on this board and he wasn't even that bad. Maybe he sucked before the editing, but I didn't find him to be particularly offensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Take an equally comparable guy to Sexy Star, he's getting destroyed as being incompetent & useless. But Sexy Star is purdy & has boobies so "she's okay". Women's wrestling fans are so transparent.Hi. I'm CrazyMax46. I'm the guy not judging people on what you like and don't like. How are you?I'm also not a "women's wrestling fan" I'm a wrestling fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamal Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I still don't think Sexy Star sucks. She's merely okay. You didn't see all the stuff edited out of the shows, including matches that had to be completely retaped. I did. She sucks. That explains it. Based on what we saw on television, I never thought she was that bad either. Not fantastic but not shitty either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Take an equally comparable guy to Sexy Star, he's getting destroyed as being incompetent & useless. But Sexy Star is purdy & has boobies so "she's okay". Women's wrestling fans are so transparent. Who said something like that? The whole thread has been mainly us trashing her as either being at best not good and at worst fucking horrible. If somebody said she's not that bad then they might not have seen what was at the tapings (like what Jamal said). And it has nothing to do with her looks. Besides, for years people were ripping apart HHH for marrying Steph. He wasn't shitty, true, but still got his share of criticism. So no, doesn't appear to be a gender issue in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If anything she should be a better high flyer without a dick. It's more aerodynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn411 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Too much sexy star talking for my liking. Any news on the Rey tour using luchaunderground wrestlers on the 11/21-11/22 weekend ? What's the plan ? I assume this will be a huge issue in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 There are a few problems with Sexy Star in Lucha Underground, a combination of ability and positioning. One of the biggest issues I have with her is that she's simply not very good in the ring. Lucha Underground's style is typically flashy and athletic, and Sexy Star simply can't compete in these areas. This creates the awful spectacle of her opponents having to slow down and throttle back to accommodate her limitations - this is the same issue I see with Pimpinela Escarlata, where they are trying to work a style consistent with the other luchadores but their bodies aren't up to it. Making matters worse is that Sexy Star is booked against men exclusively, which only exacerbates his weaknesses as a wrestler who isn't strong enough, fast enough, or athletic enough to have a credible match against men bigger, stronger, and faster than she is. Because of the size and skill differentials her opponents have to constantly protect her during high-impact moves, which is obvious and detracts from the match. Sexy Star makes matters worse in this regard because her offense isn't credible against her larger, stronger male opponents and forces them to actively assist in the execution of her offense to a much higher degree than against similarly-sized opponents. To compound each of these issues above, the primary problem with Sexy Star in Lucha Underground is that despite all of these obvious drawbacks, she is constantly booked as an elite wrestler and regularly goes over on her more talented male opponents. This can be seen, most obnoxiously, in the absolutely bizarre decision to book her over Pentagon Jr at the peak of Pentagon's push, to the point of having her go move-for-move with Pentagon in a submission match, after spending months building up Pentagon as a crippling submissions master while Sexy Star had never shown any submissions acumen. In a promotion that features a dragon, a spaceman from the cosmos, and a face-crushing monster, Sexy Star as a credible luchadore is the least believable thing on TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If it was like, Faby Apache in her role we'd all buy it because she beats the fuck out of everyone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecubsfan Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 While we saw it as Pentaogn Jr. at his biggest push, my guess is the writers were writing it as horror movie tropes - Pentagon Jr. is the serial killer (...of arms) who is taking people out for weeks, and it's surprisingly the blond girl who surprises everyone by putting an end to the monster. All the build was only building up Pentagon to make the upset seem bigger The problem is a) Pentagon is awesome and the fans really didn't see anything wrong with him breaking people's arms (except when he tried to do it to Melissa) and b) like you said, they treated Sexy Star like she was on one of the best wrestlers and she didn't seemed fearful of the scary serial killer, so it didn't come off as the big upset. Season 2 starts today. Hooray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 They often said they changed creative directions due to the fan reactions. I don't think they expected everyone to love Pentagon so much. This season should kick fucking ass because they know now and it just isn't us in the temple reacting to the dude, it's all the people who watched the show at home loving him too. Plus he has THE MASTER taking him to "a dark place" People are asking a lot of questions about the upcoming season and there's a lot to think about, but how about this- We haven't seen Konnan since he got locked in that coffin and carried out. Mil Muertes was sold as being super dead after that happened and came back to life. Are we gonna get Zombie Konnan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 They often said they changed creative directions due to the fan reactions. I don't think they expected everyone to love Pentagon so much. This isn't really about Pentagon so much as the terrible way they shoved Sexy Star down our throats. It isn't as if her limitations weren't obvious to anybody who watches wrestling either. The only Sexy Star match that truly made sense was her match against Big Ryck, where she was dispatched with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Fabi in that role would make a lot more sense, but she's in the doghouse right now. I'm hoping Mellisa will be the breakout star of season 2 because she can have a good match with just about anyone. *shrugs shoulders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Well isn't the whole thing with Star because she's married to Jhonny Gonzalez (big-time boxer in Mexico) Is there any validity to the rumor that either he wanted her pushed or AAA did as a favor to him? I've heard it was either of them, but both are because she's married to him. Might have also been a way to curry favor with the boxing magazines. Regardless, I believe there's something to one of those rumors. But regardless, as much as Ivelisse kicks ass and Melissa will, I doubt they'll get that big-name appeal like they were trying with Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecubsfan Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Nah. She was pushed strong in AAA far before she met Jhonny. She met Jhonny when they sent her to one his boxing matches as cross promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Man, imagine if Sexy Star had said she'd retire. They'd have to say Marty murdered her in his basement. I've received email confirmation for the 14th and 15th. Asked for all four dates, but they do the confirmations one at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Haven't thought about it until just now, but who's gonna be the color guy for Striker now that Vamp is ostensibly gonna be Pentagon's second/manager? Are they bringing back THE BIG KIBOSH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think I read that's the case. I seriously loved Vampiro's commentary after initially being irritated. Ah well, Schiavello was good and the chemistry with Striker will improve over time if they're a permanent fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 They already said he can't do it. He does an AXS show like, every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn411 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hugo probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Oh god, not Hugo... Schiavello wouldn't really work because it'd be like two play-by-play guys stepping on each other's tongues, but Hugo... man, I can't stand his yelling ass in any of the PR stuff I've seen. I'd almost rather it be Konnan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecubsfan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 They seemed to like Vampiro in Season 1 and I kind of expect them to find some storyline excuse to keep him there. They played up the split personality thing, they can work with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Can you say "brother" and "Oh my gaaaaaaaahd" and a combination of the two with the same zest Vampiro does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I want to see tromataker exhibit his ability to jump out of his chair after a highspot and do a lap high-fiving fans. Noting in that strap match showed me he has the cardio for that. I'm skeptical, brother. On a serious note, how about Excalibur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Excalibur has said on Art of Wrestling that he doesn't like lucha libre Like how he'd tape trade and get lucha instead of what he wanted and get pissed because he hated lucha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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