Dre013 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 People think CM Punk is somehow bending WWE over a barrel? I assume Hunter is probably happy he's gone and you want to talk about who has "Fuck you" money.. I would say Steph and Hunter rank pretty highly. Short term, of course Steph and Hunter have enough money to say fuck you to anyone they want. It's easy when the old man did all the heavy lifting. Long term, there is no one with the ability to move the needle and wrestle full-time like Punk. The ratings drop further, the network subscribers stay flat, Punk ends up in the driver's seat and gets what he wants...a huge payday and limited bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Weren't there RUMBLINGS~! that WWE is interpreting the "Yes" chants for Brie as a sign that the chant is over and not Daniel Bryan himself? That's what it feels like to me. They've been trying to attach that chant to other people for a year anyway as some kind of self fulfilling prophecy. Concerning the girls that get into the women wrestlers, I think that is a big market they are missing. Someone mentioned a while back, and I can verify this, but take a look at say, Paige's twitter. She gets dozens of tweets daily from girls talking about how they wore her t-shirt to school, how much they look up to her, etc. I imagine Emma and Bayley get that quite a bit too. Why not try to present the divas in a way that makes them relatable to young girls. I mean, no one can relate to what Paige and AJ are doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I mean, no one can relate to what Paige and AJ are doing now. We obviously hang out around different women... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 When/where exactly did Punk move ratings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Exactly. I'm not even a ratings guy but this idea that WWE is missing something without Punk is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Weren't there RUMBLINGS~! that WWE is interpreting the "Yes" chants for Brie as a sign that the chant is over and not Daniel Bryan himself? I can't help but chuckle and shake my head in disbelief when I read this. If WWE management can't figure out that Bryan is/was over at this point; they're never going to get it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Punk would have moved the ratings if given the chance. Just like how he would've carried a wrestlemania if given the chance. WWE misses Punk a lot. But he left in the worst way imaginable and has deservedly earned the label of being both difficult and unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What are the numbers on Brock? I find it hard to believe he's selling enough ppv's to account for the huge contract he has. I have to imagine Punk on a similar deal would make WWE more money on merch alone. I don't see how Punk left any worse than Brock did. Brock's was worse imo because they basically spent two years feeding their entire roster to him for him to just say fuck it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Exactly. I'm not even a ratings guy but this idea that WWE is missing something without Punk is nuts. I bet they miss his merch sales. Especially every time one of those stockholder conference calls roll around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Miner Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I bet they miss his merch sales. Especially every time one of those stockholder conference calls roll around. 7. Venue Merch – $5.0 million – (DOWN $0.1 million from Q1 2013) 10. WWEShop – $4.2 million – (up $0.7 million from Q1 2013) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre013 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 When/where exactly did Punk move ratings? Where/when exactly did I say he did? They varied from good to abysmal on the pipebomb to loss to Rock timeline. Point was, there is no one in their current system that could provide the potential impact his return would (Bryan perhaps?). At some point, they will get desperate, pride will be swallowed, and he will have to put down his comic books and get back to work. Is there anyone that you could imagine having their name chanted at every televised event for months after their departure at this point? Last time I remember it was the "We Want Flair" chants after he left for WWF in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I bet they miss his merch sales. Especially every time one of those stockholder conference calls roll around.7. Venue Merch – $5.0 million – (DOWN $0.1 million from Q1 2013)10. WWEShop – $4.2 million – (up $0.7 million from Q1 2013) Yeah, and they'd probably be making even more if he were around to sell t-shirts. Or do you think Vince looks at those numbers and thinks, "You know, I really do have enough money right now"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The only way Punk leaving hurts WWE's money if those idiots who chant for him during AJ Punk's matches were to not show up. But a couple of arsholes not at the show wouldn't make me cry tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I mean, no one can relate to what Paige and AJ are doing now. We obviously hang out around different women... Probs. I don't hang around overt lunatics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 When/where exactly did Punk move ratings? Where/when exactly did I say he did? They varied from good to abysmal on the pipebomb to loss to Rock timeline. Point was, there is no one in their current system that could provide the potential impact his return would (Bryan perhaps?). At some point, they will get desperate, pride will be swallowed, and he will have to put down his comic books and get back to work. Is there anyone that you could imagine having their name chanted at every televised event for months after their departure at this point? Last time I remember it was the "We Want Flair" chants after he left for WWF in the early 90s. How soon we all forget Matt Hardy. And for good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Matt who now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Are people really still freaking out over Punk? He made his bank and got out before he had the chance to suffer any injuries that hurt his quality of life. People need to get over it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I bet they miss his merch sales. Especially every time one of those stockholder conference calls roll around. 7. Venue Merch – $5.0 million – (DOWN $0.1 million from Q1 2013) 10. WWEShop – $4.2 million – (up $0.7 million from Q1 2013) Are these Q1 2014 numbers? Because they were still selling Punk merchandise then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Say what you want about Punk, but when the "pipebomb" happened, it generated that precious "casual fan" buzz that Vince always seems to be after. My group of friends busts my balls unmercifully for watching wrestling, but when that went down, it was the first time in a long time that things with them went from "Wrestling is gay and fake" to "who's this Punk guy I keep reading about on Reddit/Grantland/Deadspin etc.?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 CM Punk couldn't move a needle even if you gave him a sewing machine. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ok granted, my Punk post was purely anecdotal evidence, but before I get any further into this conversation, there are a couple pieces of info that I think are important: 1) Was he any more or less close to Cena as a #2 than Bryan was? 2) Is he moving the needle any more or less than Brock does? And honestly, in 2014, what's moving the needle anymore? TV has changed so much since the late '90s-early '00s-- ratings are measured differently, the NFL is a massive juggernaut, there was no UFC back then, there was no DVRs/Live+7 numbers. Merch sales could be a measuring stick, but rumblingz say Cena outsells everyone by a huge margin no matter who they are. Is it even possible to pop a buyrate anymore in the Network era? Do they keep any sort of gauge on the amount of people streaming illegally? Doesn't ANY house show without Cena draw like shit? I'm not trying to be an ass but I'm honestly out of touch on what constitutes moving the needle. Twitter followers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I don't know nothing about ratings and shit, but anyone who thinks Punk is missing needs to go watch Fox News or some other shit in which a character on the show CONSTANTLY criticizes the viewers for watching the show. I will take a crowd full of people losing their shit because they are genuinely excited for what they are watching/get caught up in the moment over some guys who want to prove how cool and smart they are by cheering for a guy who clearly hates everything about everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Punk leaves and the same people who bought his t-shirts will just buy a Dean Ambrose or a Wyatt t-shirt instead. Anyone thinking WWE misses him is nuts. RAW has had about 4.5-5 million viewers every week for ages. Sometimes it's a little up.. sometimes it's a little down.. Yes, it's an issue that they haven't been able to increase those numbers but in regards to Punk the numbers were no different from when he was in development to when he was on top to present day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If the Punk fans are the ones who buy tickets to chant his name on Raw, Vince wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Totally offffff topic, But watching Wrestlemania 20 on ye Network. Did Taker really have a fucking bowl cut on the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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