Patrick B. Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 My area has a pretty good variety of promotions and products. STL Anarchy brings in the ROH-style guys like Davey and Callihan, SICW brings in the old-school guys like Harley and Von Raschke, and FIST had Sabu and Tracey Smothers a few months ago. Nice to have some solid choices between products...it's indy wrestling so it's always going to be hit-and-miss to some extent, but that's part of the charm in my book. Been fortunate to see some really fun stuff around these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 As much as you or I might like the lucha libre, I don't know if casual fans would be that interested. The last SICW show in my area brought in a midget match(Beautiful Bobby Dean vs. Little Kato) but actually drew less than the previous month due to other factors(local town picnic, I believe). Still, they sold a lot of merch that night. IIRC, lucha shows used to draw quite well in Chicago, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newb82 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Not a single match.I haven't been excited about seeing Van Dam wrestle since the Cena match at the One Night Stand PPV. In hindsight, I think his entire WWE run was more or less a bust. Not that it's entirely his fault but RVD in WWE was no where near as exciting to watch as RVD in ECW. He's the epitome of a guy who's "just there" and he's been "just there" for years now.RVD in ECW was Davey Richards before Davey Richards was Davey Richards. Just replace stiff strikes and headdrops with backflips and cartwheels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Not a single match.I haven't been excited about seeing Van Dam wrestle since the Cena match at the One Night Stand PPV. In hindsight, I think his entire WWE run was more or less a bust. Not that it's entirely his fault but RVD in WWE was no where near as exciting to watch as RVD in ECW. He's the epitome of a guy who's "just there" and he's been "just there" for years now.RVD in ECW was Davey Richards before Davey Richards was Davey Richards. Just replace stiff strikes and headdrops with backflips and cartwheels. I can see RVD & Jerry Lynn doing the Superplex of Doom spot in ECW and getting a standing ovation for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Not a single match.I haven't been excited about seeing Van Dam wrestle since the Cena match at the One Night Stand PPV. In hindsight, I think his entire WWE run was more or less a bust. Not that it's entirely his fault but RVD in WWE was no where near as exciting to watch as RVD in ECW. He's the epitome of a guy who's "just there" and he's been "just there" for years now.RVD in ECW was Davey Richards before Davey Richards was Davey Richards. Just replace stiff strikes and headdrops with backflips and cartwheels. You don't even have to replace stiff strikes. How many guys has Van Dam potatoed with his kicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newb82 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I was thinking more of RVD's limp-wristed punches. Uh oh. I mentioned someone's punches. Five people just went to twitter to make fun of the board. Sorry guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Not a single match.I haven't been excited about seeing Van Dam wrestle since the Cena match at the One Night Stand PPV. In hindsight, I think his entire WWE run was more or less a bust. Not that it's entirely his fault but RVD in WWE was no where near as exciting to watch as RVD in ECW. He's the epitome of a guy who's "just there" and he's been "just there" for years now.RVD in ECW was Davey Richards before Davey Richards was Davey Richards. Just replace stiff strikes and headdrops with backflips and cartwheels. At least RVD had something resembling a personality, and knew how to engage his audience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 In terms of the "who on the indies is a draw", I would travel any distance to see Sid... probably... I think the more succesful indies are more about the promotion themselves and the overall card rather than relying on a name to sell the show. An example would be someone like Drake Younger, on his own I wouldnt go to see him at a local show vs. Joe McShmoe, however, put him in the PWG system, with everything else thats going on, then there would be more than enough to get me to go. ECW would be a good example, I wasnt desperate to see one name, but I was desperate to see the overall show itself and what was going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagan Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I loved RVD in ECW, but now looking back it really comes across as some self-indulgent shit. Dude would go over 20 minutes with just the most worthless wrestlers just go to be able to get his schtick in and point to his self. Every match was this faux-epic. Tough to watch now. Though I still like the Lynn series for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The previous comment does invite the question: Who on the indy scene could really be considered a "draw"? As in, what name could you drop to a casual fan that would convince them to attend an indy show they otherwise wouldn't bother with? I see groups book outside talent all the time but I really don't think it affects the attendance all that much.They do more to boost DVD sales than ticket sales.Plus, all booking on the indies is done through recommendations. Very few Indy promotors watch DVDs. So if you get Davey Richards on your show and he works with Joe Blow and it works out well, Davey may get Joe Blow a shot in Ring of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newb82 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I actually like the RVD-Lynn match that went the time limit, then the ref tries to award the title to Lynn, only for him to reject it and call for 5 more minutes more than the more-heralded Hardcore Heaven match. Aside from the ref trying to give Lynn the title for no reason, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 In terms of the "who on the indies is a draw", I would travel any distance to see Sid... probably...I think the more succesful indies are more about the promotion themselves and the overall card rather than relying on a name to sell the show.An example would be someone like Drake Younger, on his own I wouldnt go to see him at a local show vs. Joe McShmoe, however, put him in the PWG system, with everything else thats going on, then there would be more than enough to get me to go.ECW would be a good example, I wasnt desperate to see one name, but I was desperate to see the overall show itself and what was going to happen.I led a campaign to get Sid booked on a Stampede show in like 2006ish. He got booked after I basically subjugated the whole Stampede messageboard, no showed and the card was cancelled.Whoops. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newb82 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 There's nothing about that post that isn't tremendous. I'd like it more than once if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sid no-showed? The hell you say! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sid has the best job in wrestling and it amazes me he can't be bothered to do it most of the time. Show up...fist bump...powerbomb...fist bump again...leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I think I explained it so that everyone paid $10 more for the event but the chosen few who would be fist bumped would essentially live forever. There was fantasy booking in there too to explain it, but I can't remember what it was other than the little flippy spot guy they had got powerbombed through a table. Hahaha his name was Chucky and he was a ginger IIRC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Samson Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 In terms of the "who on the indies is a draw", I would travel any distance to see Sid... probably...I think the more succesful indies are more about the promotion themselves and the overall card rather than relying on a name to sell the show.An example would be someone like Drake Younger, on his own I wouldnt go to see him at a local show vs. Joe McShmoe, however, put him in the PWG system, with everything else thats going on, then there would be more than enough to get me to go.ECW would be a good example, I wasnt desperate to see one name, but I was desperate to see the overall show itself and what was going to happen.I led a campaign to get Sid booked on a Stampede show in like 2006ish. He got booked after I basically subjugated the whole Stampede messageboard, no showed and the card was cancelled.Whoops. Oh, please. Sid can't travel across the US without "visa" problems, and can't be trusted with sharp pointy objects. You really thought he'd manage to get into Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sharp pointy objects, hell. He can't even be trusted with a Squeegee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Man I wish I could find any proof of this, the old message board is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 You can always do it again to another indie fed, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 You can always do it again to another indie fed, you know. I'm reasonably certain Teddy Hart will try to revive Stampede again at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 All it would take is some one pitching Teddy the idea of a big money feud between him and Sid, in which Sid power bombs an army of Cats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Samson Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 You can always do it again to another indie fed, you know. I'm reasonably certain Teddy Hart will try to revive Stampede again at some point. He has to. No one else will book his cats. Edit: Jae beats me to the punch with a cat joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 "Chucky" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I was going to post something about booking the cat army vs. the hobo army, but after the above pic... I'm speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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