Controversial movie/TV opinions

[Jingus]

 

When did this go from Peter vs. Lester to Michael vs. Lester? I feel like every time I make a decent point, the topic gets shifted.

 

Most likely because you didn't make a point.

 

 

Ha ha ha hilarious, especially since you completely ignored MY point: 

 

 

 

Peter's thing revolved around doing something highly illegal that would get you sent to federal prison for several years. That's worse than regressing. AB was at least realistic at the end when Kevin Spacey got shot. In real life, Peter and his friends would've gotten terminated and arrested in a jiffy.

 

Office Space is basically a movie to embolden middle class white people stuck in their lame studio apartment.

No, dude.  Their situations were completely different.  Kevin Spacey was in an entitled position that Peter would've KILLED for; a great-paying executive job, a big beautiful house, a gorgeous wife and a not-that-terrible daughter.  He already should've been happy, and was rebelling against... what?!  The pettiest of first-world annoyances.  Peter was stuck in a shitty go-nowhere low-paying soul-killing cubicle job where he was constantly harassed and bullied by a conga line of idiot bosses who were way stupider than himself and should never have been giving him orders in the first place.  Yeah, he tried to get even by stealing from the company; but 1.he immediately fucked it up, realized it was a bad idea and tried to repent, and his girlfriend immediately called him on his bullshit and broke up with him over his idiocy.  AND 2.How is that any worse than Spacey's character blackmailing his boss and extorting a huge sum of unearned cash out of him with a threat of a false sexual harassment charge?  Spacey was NEVER called out on the unethical nature of that horseshit, it was presented as a completely righteous and laudable act, and he never faced one little bit of consequence over it.

 

 

Well?

 

 

People just look at Office Space as a sacred cow because they can identify on that level of being a loser. In real life, the Bolton character would have soared past Peter on the success scale. Not on some Jordan Belfort or Charlie Sheen in Wall Street level, but on another level. You're telling me Michael and the Indian guy can steal funds from the company, but Michael's job requires him to do almost the same monotonous bullshit Peter is doing. Come on.

Uh.  Yeah.  Why not?  Seriously.  

 

 

 

The Bolton character was too insecure, too passive, and too maladjusted to surpass Peter.

And I don't think it's people identifying with being any kind of loser, but rather people can certainly identify with being in those shitty environments

 

AKA a loser.

 

I am not saying Bolton character didn't have his faults. I am saying that a guy working at McDonalds on fries with a Master's is overqualified. The guy who works there with a postgraduate degree and KNOWS he can steal from them in that fashion without getting caught mostly likely doesn't fill out the application to begin with.

 

But he did get caught.  Did you even watch this movie?  Were you paying any attention?  Michael Bolton FUCKS UP the theft, writes the code wrong, and that sets off the entire panic in the last act.  He got the idea from Superman 3, for chrissakes.  He's not some kind of overlooked genius, his ambitions outran his talent.  

 

 

Who wouldn't love to bang some young broad and mentor their neighbor's weird kid carrying around a bag?

An ethical person, that's who.   

 

And what's with this constant, repetitive, condescending use of the word "loser" to describe these cubicle people?  Why so much scorn?  Who do you think the winner is in this movie?  Bill Lumberg?  The Bobs?  

 

Office Space is a middling comedy that is overrated right now.  People still quote this three-joke movie and it's been, what, over a decade?  Christ.  It's like "Clerks" for people who work in an office.  I remember somebody said to me, "oh you didn't like Clerks?  You must've never worked in retail."  THAT'S narrowcasting right there.  If you've worked a dead-end office job, you'll love"Office Space?"   Fuck you.  "Quotable" comedies can fuck right off.

People still quote Gone with the Wind too.  What's your point with this "over a decade" time limit?  And what do you mean, narrowcasting?  The movies work best for people who've worked those jobs, yeah, but they work great for plenty of people who've never worked those jobs as well.  "Three joke"?  There's DOZENS of jokes, too many to count.

 

 

 

Kane Hodder sucked as Jason in the Friday the 13th films.

 

Why?  For the love of God, people, please provide a little reasoning, context, detail, SOMETHING other than just saying "_______ sucks" and leaving.  

[Reed]

Since it's apparently Mean Girls day: I'll say, I always thought that movie was over-rated. It's not terrible or anything, but I don't think it's the teen classic its heralded as. It's like a PG13, watered-down version of Heathers.

 

I think part of it might be Lindsay Lohan's downfall. People have to push the narrative she was this terrific actress and was in classic movies and isn't it sad what happened to her? In reality, she was an OKish actress who was in OKish movies. Even if she'd kept herself together, I think her time would have passed. She'd have ended up like Alicia Silverstone or Christina Ricci, still getting work and doing well, but not A list or anything close to it.

[Brian Fowler]

Since it's apparently Mean Girls day: I'll say, I always thought that movie was over-rated. It's not terrible or anything, but I don't think it's the teen classic its heralded as. It's like a PG13, watered-down version of Heathers.

 

I think part of it might be Lindsay Lohan's downfall. People have to push the narrative she was this terrific actress and was in classic movies and isn't it sad what happened to her? In reality, she was an OKish actress who was in OKish movies. Even if she'd kept herself together, I think her time would have passed. She'd have ended up like Alicia Silverstone or Christina Ricci, still getting work and doing well, but not A list or anything close to it.

[Execproducer]

Christina Ricci is A list in my book!

[Niners Fan in CT]

Take a closer look, she might be D-list.

[Execproducer]

Wasn't talking about her upper body development. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Greggulator]

The funniest line in Clerks is "What, I have to drink this coffee hot?" It's hilarious because now even low-rent convenience stores offer gourmet coffee blends.

That movie is trash. I liked it when I was 19 and it first came out. I'm fine with it being poorly acted -- they got local community theater level types -- but it's not clever or smart in any way. It's a bunch of dick jokes and the like. My palate has been refined and I'm going to need something more than SHE FUCKED A DEAD GUY!!!!! as a punch line.

Kevin Smith's most egregious movie is Chasing Amy. Oh my god is that thing awful. Jason Lee's character showing porn to a kid and their dumb comic book and Joey Lauren Adams impersonating Luna Vachon. My views about sexuality has evolved since the mid-90. The whole "gay guy makes lesbian straight" fantasy is so repulsive to me.

I lasted 20 minutes with Zach and Miri before I had to stop.

Legit, Kevin Smith can't write anything remotely clever or funny. Si

Also, if you really want to hate watch something, I high suggest his Q&A in Australia. It's Jason Mewes telling dumb sex stories to an Australian audience. Ugh. The worst.

The difference between Mike Judge and Kevin Smith is vast and deep and infinite. Beavis and Butthead is still really funny and oddly smart. I haven't watched King Of The Hill in years but that show was really smart, had heart and also introduced us to the weird world of Texas way before Friday Night Lights. Office Space is light-years funnier than Clerks and has a good story about adulthood with it. Silicon Valley's a truly awesome comedy that also had some great dramatic stakes involving something dull and non-visual like computer coding -- that takes some insane writing talent to execute. Idiocracy was a big waste of my time but Mike Judge's worst against something like Jay And Silent Bob Strike back... they don't compare.

[Reed]

I always found Lohan, even at her best, to be a rather one-dimensional actress. She could play the spunky, girl-next-door type fine and had some comedic skill, but other than that? I'm not convinced she was this once in a generation talent. Even Mean Girls, I'd argue Rachel McAdams was the one who stole the show.

 

Like I said, I think people push the "Lohan was so amazingly talented" point because it plays into the "tragic fallen star" narrative and makes for a more interesting story.

[Brian Fowler]

She is really great in Mean Girls and Georgia Rule. The former was an opinion I held before she became a known trainwreck.

[Reed]

I didn't say she didn't have any talent, I just don't think it was that much more than many other young promising actors/actresses have.

[Kuetsar]

Just watched Transformer Age of Extinction, and it was probably the best in the series. Walberg was so much better than Shia, its not funny. Not high art or anything, but enjoyable enough for a rental. 

[Kuetsar]

The funniest line in Clerks is "What, I have to drink this coffee hot?" It's hilarious because now even low-rent convenience stores offer gourmet coffee blends.

That movie is trash. I liked it when I was 19 and it first came out. I'm fine with it being poorly acted -- they got local community theater level types -- but it's not clever or smart in any way. It's a bunch of dick jokes and the like. My palate has been refined and I'm going to need something more than SHE FUCKED A DEAD GUY!!!!! as a punch line.

Kevin Smith's most egregious movie is Chasing Amy. Oh my god is that thing awful. Jason Lee's character showing porn to a kid and their dumb comic book and Joey Lauren Adams impersonating Luna Vachon. My views about sexuality has evolved since the mid-90. The whole "gay guy makes lesbian straight" fantasy is so repulsive to me.

I lasted 20 minutes with Zach and Miri before I had to stop.

Legit, Kevin Smith can't write anything remotely clever or funny. Si

Also, if you really want to hate watch something, I high suggest his Q&A in Australia. It's Jason Mewes telling dumb sex stories to an Australian audience. Ugh. The worst.

The difference between Mike Judge and Kevin Smith is vast and deep and infinite. Beavis and Butthead is still really funny and oddly smart. I haven't watched King Of The Hill in years but that show was really smart, had heart and also introduced us to the weird world of Texas way before Friday Night Lights. Office Space is light-years funnier than Clerks and has a good story about adulthood with it. Silicon Valley's a truly awesome comedy that also had some great dramatic stakes involving something dull and non-visual like computer coding -- that takes some insane writing talent to execute. Idiocracy was a big waste of my time but Mike Judge's worst against something like Jay And Silent Bob Strike back... they don't compare.

I've always like Mallrats and Dogma the best of the Kevin Smith movies, and have a soft spot for Clerks 2 as well.  Personally never cared for Office Space and found King of the Hill to be a sleeping pill. But to each their own, I guess.

[Brian Fowler]

I like some of Judge's work quite a lot, but he's never done anything nearly as funny as the "Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season" scene in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

[Niners Fan in CT]

Correction: Lacey Chabert stole the show.

[JRGoldman]

I think Lohan used to get credit as an actress because a lot of people have a deep seeded stereotype that women as classically beautiful as her cannot be funny. Lohan looked like a leading lady, but her wheelhouse as a performer was doing funny girl character actor roles. It simultaneously got her credit and held her back from having a truly successful and great performance because she was so often miscast due to her looks.

[Jingus]

The funniest line in Clerks is "What, I have to drink this coffee hot?" It's hilarious because now even low-rent convenience stores offer gourmet coffee blends.

That movie is trash. I liked it when I was 19 and it first came out. I'm fine with it being poorly acted -- they got local community theater level types -- but it's not clever or smart in any way. It's a bunch of dick jokes and the like. My palate has been refined and I'm going to need something more than SHE FUCKED A DEAD GUY!!!!! as a punch line.

Kevin Smith's most egregious movie is Chasing Amy. Oh my god is that thing awful. Jason Lee's character showing porn to a kid and their dumb comic book and Joey Lauren Adams impersonating Luna Vachon. My views about sexuality has evolved since the mid-90. The whole "gay guy makes lesbian straight" fantasy is so repulsive to me.

I lasted 20 minutes with Zach and Miri before I had to stop.

Legit, Kevin Smith can't write anything remotely clever or funny. Si

Also, if you really want to hate watch something, I high suggest his Q&A in Australia. It's Jason Mewes telling dumb sex stories to an Australian audience. Ugh. The worst.

The difference between Mike Judge and Kevin Smith is vast and deep and infinite. Beavis and Butthead is still really funny and oddly smart. I haven't watched King Of The Hill in years but that show was really smart, had heart and also introduced us to the weird world of Texas way before Friday Night Lights. Office Space is light-years funnier than Clerks and has a good story about adulthood with it. Silicon Valley's a truly awesome comedy that also had some great dramatic stakes involving something dull and non-visual like computer coding -- that takes some insane writing talent to execute. Idiocracy was a big waste of my time but Mike Judge's worst against something like Jay And Silent Bob Strike back... they don't compare.

Dude: please stop phrasing your subjective opinions as objective facts.  I know that's a petty nitpick, but c'mon: who made you the universal arbitrator of what is funny?  I'm sorry you didn't like those movies.  A lot of other people did.  Accept it.  

 

 

 

I always found Lohan, even at her best, to be a rather one-dimensional actress. She could play the spunky, girl-next-door type fine and had some comedic skill, but other than that? I'm not convinced she was this once in a generation talent. Even Mean Girls, I'd argue Rachel McAdams was the one who stole the show.

 

Like I said, I think people push the "Lohan was so amazingly talented" point because it plays into the "tragic fallen star" narrative and makes for a more interesting story.K

 

Lohan was really damn good in Robert Altman's final film, A Prairie Home Companion, a criminally underseen and underappreciated gem and a great tribute/parody/episode of Garrison Keillor's brilliant long-running radio show.  And my personal Mean Girls standout was Amanda Seyfried.  

[Larry Rydell]

The reason Picket Fences only lasted 4 seasons and got mediocre/lousy ratings, despite being critically acclaimed and winning a Best Drama Emmy, is because most American viewers didn't want to watch "The David E. Kelley Self-Righteously Tells People How To Live Their Lives By Having The Alien From My Favorite Martian Play A Judge In Wisconsin Who Lectures The Audience Each Week About How We're Living Our Lives In The Wrong Show" 

 

 

 

Also: Kathy Baker's character was actually more of a Holier Than Thou jerkass than Camryn Manheim's character on The Practice.

[Execproducer]

Ray Walston was the best thing about that show, easily.

[Johnny Sorrow]

The first three seasons of Picket Fences were some of the best TV ever made, in my opinion. And they eventually use Jilll's holier than thou attitude as a pointed out character flaw. And Fyvush Finkel was the best part of the show along with Ray Walston.

[Kuetsar]

Can't remember much about the show other than the red headed kid had one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. . . . 

[Johnny Sorrow]

Can't remember much about the show other than the red headed kid had one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. . . .

You monster, he was adorable.

[pipGofern]

The only notable thing I remember that redheaded demon contributing to that show was a sex dream where Lauren Holly came into his bedroom to play Gameboy in her underwear.

 

David Kelley always struck me of the Hollywood version of Vince Russo. When he had somebody to rein him in - specifically Bochco on LA Law (a show I loved)  - he was fantastic but left to his own unfiltered devices, he'd frequently digress into the most annoyingly self-indulgent writing this side of Aaron Sorkin. That's what always bothered me about Picket Fences, at times it'd be pretty brilliant but too frequently shifted into "Wow, look how clever I am!" mode. 

 

I watched the first few seasons and the only things that still stand out in my mind - besides the aforementioned - was the awesome X-Files crossoever that network pinheads totally ruined and the first season mystery arc about a serial killer named Cupid that was the first time I realized Stephen Tobolowsky was a genius at stealing shows with small parts. 

[odessasteps]

I did not realize until recently that Kelley was the son of former Hartford Whalers coach Jack Kelley and wrote Mystery Alaska.

[Tabe]

I did not realize until recently that Kelley was the son of former Hartford Whalers coach Jack Kelley and wrote Mystery Alaska.

That movie RULES. Best hockey movie ever made not named Miracle.

[Lacelle]

You must really hate Slap Shot. My favourite is The Rocket, I picked it for the movie club once.