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All from PFT

 

Goodell: I got it wrong, I’m sorry and now I will get it right

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/goodell-i-got-it-wrong-im-sorry-and-now-i-will-get-it-right/

 

Goodell: “Everything on the table” in terms of his role

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/goodell-everything-on-the-table-in-terms-of-his-role/

 

Roger Goodell insists he never considered quitting: He won’t be giving up his job.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/roger-goodell-insists-he-never-considered-quitting/

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Is it the NFLPA's fault that the League Office can't keep their line of enforcement straight, and that's when they're NOT being disingenuous?

These punishments and the rules are agreed to by both the NFL and NFLPA during the collective bargaining process.  The basic player contract and the Personal Conduct Code (Code of Conduct) are a part of the CBA.  Any changes to a contract, let's say a team wants a player to stay away from a particular club or something that caused the player to get injured or in trouble, have to be approved by both the NFL and NFLPA.

 

Both are accountable to different degrees.  

 

The league takes the brunt of it but to a certain extent the NFLPA agreed to these rules so there is some accountability on their part.

 

But the NFLPA is supposed to protect the rights of the players. Now it is a black eye for everyone to have players do the kind of things that RIce and company have been doing, but the NFLPA's job is to keep punishments to a min, and guys on the field . This can be a bargining chip, but the owners should have to offer something in trade for harsher penalties. IF they won't/don't the NFLPA should not give an inch. They are the worst union in sports(I'm not sure about the NHL), but Donald Fehr or Marvin Miller would tell the Commish to go to hell(or worse), if they tried to stiffen the penalties unilaterally. It gets tricky PR wise to have that stance, but that what a union is for. . . 

 

Correct, which is why the NFLPA should be taking a bit of flack here for defending Ray Rice.  Just enough to make them bend and think that they are not on a moral high ground here.

 

The more pressure on the NFL relative to the NFLPA the less likely the NFLPA is to bend in negotiations.

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I still don't understand why the NFL is expected to do more than the police when it comes to criminal activity.  Ray Rice is essentially banned for life for breaking a law that law enforcement didn't deem serious enough to do any jail time.  Roger Goodell is not, and shouldn't be a law enforcement official.  This is getting to the point where we are looking at Roger Goodell as Clint Eastwood, and sending him into the town to clean up the outlaws.  They haven't learned a damn thing about this entire situation.  They can't possibly think that because they're "getting tough" on this shit that it will stop happening.  He isn't Super Roger, the NFL isn't the Justice League.  The fact that these dudes are just doubling down on the bullshit is completely missing the point.  The core issue of this situation isn't that the players are out of control.  We've gone over the fact that they are in general more in control in comparison to men at large.  The core issue is that the NFL keeps acting like they are some sort of super hero group that can stop all wrong doing from their players.  They will fail again, because they are trying to do something impossible.  The Ray Rice thing went bad because they decided to punish someone for something that they didn't really have the authority to punish him.  Then people decided that if they were going to get into the punishment business they need to punish him harder.  They agreed, and said that from now on we will punish people harder.  Then a video came out and people demanded that they punish Ray Rice even harder than the harder punishments they already announced.  Then other people started doing dumb shit, and now everyone wants Super Rog to go our and save the day from these out of control athletes.  The problem is that they can't possibly stop players from being dicks.  There are 1696 players on active rosters, and there is no way they can make them all model citizens.  Some of them are going to get arrested from time to time for all types of different shit.  The NFL can't legislate morality, the fucking government doesn't even try to legislate morality.  There is no way to do it successfully.  The courts enforce laws because they are clearly defined, with specific punishments for breaking specific laws.  There is a process to how these laws are enforced, cases tried, and punishments sentenced, and even with all of that they get shit wrong all the time.  The NFL doesn't have any of this shit in place, and it would take fucking years to put them in effect.  The NFL's policy should be that they will follow the law...not try to run out in front of it like a group of vigilantes.  If a player is convicted of a crime they should have a tiered system of how to punish the player,  2 games, 4 games, 8 games, season, life, based on the conviction.  Putting themselves in a place where they are essentially above the law is dumb, and is going to do nothing but more problems.  The police, courts, and prison system is imperfect with 200 plus years of trying to get it right, why do we think the NFL is going to be able to do it right starting now?

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I still don't understand why the NFL is expected to do more than the police when it comes to criminal activity.  Ray Rice is essentially banned for life for breaking a law that law enforcement didn't deem serious enough to do any jail time.  Roger Goodell is not, and shouldn't be a law enforcement official.  This is getting to the point where we are looking at Roger Goodell as Clint Eastwood, and sending him into the town to clean up the outlaws.  They haven't learned a damn thing about this entire situation.  They can't possibly think that because they're "getting tough" on this shit that it will stop happening.  He isn't Super Roger, the NFL isn't the Justice League.  The fact that these dudes are just doubling down on the bullshit is completely missing the point.  The core issue of this situation isn't that the players are out of control.  We've gone over the fact that they are in general more in control in comparison to men at large.  The core issue is that the NFL keeps acting like they are some sort of super hero group that can stop all wrong doing from their players.  They will fail again, because they are trying to do something impossible.  The Ray Rice thing went bad because they decided to punish someone for something that they didn't really have the authority to punish him.  Then people decided that if they were going to get into the punishment business they need to punish him harder.  They agreed, and said that from now on we will punish people harder.  Then a video came out and people demanded that they punish Ray Rice even harder than the harder punishments they already announced.  Then other people started doing dumb shit, and now everyone wants Super Rog to go our and save the day from these out of control athletes.  The problem is that they can't possibly stop players from being dicks.  There are 1696 players on active rosters, and there is no way they can make them all model citizens.  Some of them are going to get arrested from time to time for all types of different shit.  The NFL can't legislate morality, the fucking government doesn't even try to legislate morality.  There is no way to do it successfully.  The courts enforce laws because they are clearly defined, with specific punishments for breaking specific laws.  There is a process to how these laws are enforced, cases tried, and punishments sentenced, and even with all of that they get shit wrong all the time.  The NFL doesn't have any of this shit in place, and it would take fucking years to put them in effect.  The NFL's policy should be that they will follow the law...not try to run out in front of it like a group of vigilantes.  If a player is convicted of a crime they should have a tiered system of how to punish the player,  2 games, 4 games, 8 games, season, life, based on the conviction.  Putting themselves in a place where they are essentially above the law is dumb, and is going to do nothing but more problems.  The police, courts, and prison system is imperfect with 200 plus years of trying to get it right, why do we think the NFL is going to be able to do it right starting now?

I partially disagree, only because Roger Goodell took on the role, and decided to show everyone what a big man he is. Unlike the other three major sports that have a lackey(Exec VP or whoever) do it, and the commish can "be above the fray" and be the nice smiling authority figure that doesn't get his hands dirty.  The Commish has been playing with fire, and now he's gotten burned.  In the future the NFL has to figure out a way to distance themselves from the morality, or it will get worse. . .

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I still don't understand why the NFL is expected to do more than the police when it comes to criminal activity.  Ray Rice is essentially banned for life for breaking a law that law enforcement didn't deem serious enough to do any jail time.

There's a lot of things you can do that will get you fired that won't get you imprisoned, especially if you're a highly-visible public figure, and the NFL judgment isn't necessarily about whether or not Ray Rice broke the law, but about whether he engaged in conduct detrimental to the business of the league.

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The Personal Conduct Code applies to the less than 5% of the players who cannot control themselves.  Most players live a normal life off the field but there are those few, like in any large group, that cannot figure out right from wrong.  

 

For 90+% of the players in this league there are no problems.  Most stars understand the spotlight they are under.  There are a few that do not get it and have had Security departments make issues disappear.

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I still don't understand why the NFL is expected to do more than the police when it comes to criminal activity.  Ray Rice is essentially banned for life for breaking a law that law enforcement didn't deem serious enough to do any jail time.

There's a lot of things you can do that will get you fired that won't get you imprisoned, especially if you're a highly-visible public figure, and the NFL judgment isn't necessarily about whether or not Ray Rice broke the law, but about whether he engaged in conduct detrimental to the business of the league.

 

I agree with this, but they didn't believe that it was a fireable offense.  They punished him based on their own standards, and was going to roll with it until a video, that they knew existed, went public.  According to them they didn't suspend him again because he punched his wife, according to the new rules they made and announced that is only a 6 game suspension.  They suspended him again for "lying," despite everyone saying he told the truth.  So are we saying that Ray Rice should never be able to work again because of this?  I understand what he did was absolutely horrific, but he should be able to earn a living afterwards.  The issue is that there aren't any real rules, or a process to actually enforce these non-existent rules, and now that people recognize there aren't any rules the mob is gathering.  The issue isn't whether they can or can't fire him, it is whether or not they understand why they should or shouldn't fire him.  I still don't think they know, we know, or anyone else really knows what the correct course of action is going forward.  If anyone thinks he should never work again after this, you should look up the record of some elected officials.  They tend to have a much more important job, but a much lower standard of behavior. 

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I don't think anyone doubts that the indefinite suspension arose as a result of the fever pitch the already-present backlash against the 2-game suspension hit once the video went public, or that the NFL is frantically trying to do whatever will make this not be a problem for them any more rather than in any way trying to take a stand against domestic violence.

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