hammerva Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 And beating Brock Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Knocking out Brock Lesnar doesn't exactly give you the merit of being considered a good striker. Winning the K-1 World GP like epwar said is what gained him that recognition though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 He was gigantic, covered up with the big gloves and got a bit lucky in K1. Badr Hari beat his ass the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 We can't deny, and I don't remember what people here thought, but the hardcore fans were hooked on Overeem right before he got into the UFC. Not saying it was wrong to get excited about him for a time, but just remember we may be hating on the Reem now when everyone was going crazy for him not long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 A loud enough burp would have knocked down Aerts after his insane war with Schilt, while Overeem won his semi via freaky injury in a couple minutes. People forget how iffy Reem's GP win was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 We can't deny, and I don't remember what people here thought, but the hardcore fans were hooked on Overeem right before he got into the UFC. Not saying it was wrong to get excited about him for a time, but just remember we may be hating on the Reem now when everyone was going crazy for him not long ago. I just contribute that to being contrarian to what was going on at that time, which is ironic since Overeem being a top tier HW (and/or future Fedor destroyer) became overwhelming opinion on the internet. I remember him just showing up against that Korean bum on the first Dream show and being big as shit. When Valentijin fought in Sengoku (IIRC) around the same time, he was just freaking massive as well. It ballooned from there. You had this gargantuan man fighting in Dream, K-1, and then Strikeforce. When we were in the Brock Lesnar era of heavyweight MMA, the air of legitimacy became so important. But that's how star-making seems to happen some of the time in MMA. Nick Diaz fought some decent to good fighters post-UFC, but the way people saw him made you think he was going to pee down GSP's gaping neckhole if they ever fought. If MMA fans can't find a good foil within the UFC, they will go looking for them elsewhere and anoint someone. However, that's the inherent problem with trying to create stars. Internet or cult of personality legitimacy isn't the same as real legitimacy. These guys become popular (with or without the resume to match the popularity), we go on a mary-go-round of the UFC trying to bring them in, and then the UFC underpays or overpays (90% of the time it's overpay seeing how the ratings and buyrates have been) them to finally get them. Once the ship starts going down, it becomes this Carnival of Sadness. It goes from "oh shit, they signed him!" to "oh shit, is _________ going to get cut?". The UFC is in a rough position because it's not pro wrestling. If people want "stacked" cards, there is only so long you can protect an Alistair Overeem if you even want to do that in the first place. They gave a one million dollar signing bonus (peanuts to Zuffa I'll admit) to someone who never challenged for the real legitimate heavyweight title and delivered an underwhelming buyrate for the biggest fight of his career. But if the UFC never signed him in the first place, people would have went on and on about how the UFC can't make the big fights. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epwar Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Not saying it was wrong to get excited about him for a time, but just remember we may be hating on the Reem now when everyone was going crazy for him not long ago. Don't include me in that "we" there. I've been hating Overeem for years and, sadly, have the UG threads to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 You hate everybody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Co-signed. Whenever I see epwar posting, he's usually shitting on a fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 Well, FSW got banned. We need someone to carry the torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epwar Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't hate anyone except Nick Diaz, Overeem, Chael, Bisping, Hardy, Brock...ah, crap, you guys are right. And that is cold, Elsalvajeloco. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Not taking a shot at you, but that sounds like an “I've been watching since UFC 1/PRIDE was better/Rory went over the line saying he would hurt BJ/I'm depressed and want to kill myself because Fedor lost/Bruce Lee is a true MMA icon/WWE sucks/You're a TUF newb” Sherdog/UG poster type of hate list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epwar Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Nah, I hate Fedor and "PRIDE was better" types too. But I love Anderson Silva, Johny Hendricks and Carlos Condit, so that has to count for sometime in my nihilistic posting ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't think I know anyone who thought Overeem was going to be all that great when he came to the UFC. He was always a guy who looked like a world beater against the bums, but he is the ultimate shrinking violet. I have a few hardcore MMA fan friends and we all we were all really surprised when he beat Brock. We all just assumed that Brock would take him down and beat on him until he wilted. Even as a light heavyweight, he couldn't take any significant damage I didn't think getting hit by bigger, stronger fighters would help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't think I know anyone who thought Overeem was going to be all that great when he came to the UFC. He was always a guy who looked like a world beater against the bums, but he is the ultimate shrinking violet. I have a few hardcore MMA fan friends and we all we were all really surprised when he beat Brock. We all just assumed that Brock would take him down and beat on him until he wilted. Even as a light heavyweight, he couldn't take any significant damage I didn't think getting hit by bigger, stronger fighters would help him. by that point, Lesnar was in pretty sorry shape, and had proven that he didn't like to be punched. i couldn't wait to see the fight, but i was firmly under the impression that Reem would put a hurting on him. that being said, i was cautiously optimistic about Overeem coming in. he looked good in his fights in other orgs (besides the Werdum debacle) but he was clearly fighting a lower class of competition. the biggest question was, "could he do it without juicing?" and we definitely got our answer. i have a buddy who was all-in on the Reem bandwagon. former K1 tournament winner, heavyweight champ in strikeforce and dream, believed he was gonna be an all time great. the bigfoot fight destroyed his spirit and he hasn't cared a bit since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't think I know anyone who thought Overeem was going to be all that great when he came to the UFC. He was always a guy who looked like a world beater against the bums, but he is the ultimate shrinking violet. I have a few hardcore MMA fan friends and we all we were all really surprised when he beat Brock. We all just assumed that Brock would take him down and beat on him until he wilted. Even as a light heavyweight, he couldn't take any significant damage I didn't think getting hit by bigger, stronger fighters would help him. by that point, Lesnar was in pretty sorry shape, and had proven that he didn't like to be punched. i couldn't wait to see the fight, but i was firmly under the impression that Reem would put a hurting on him. that being said, i was cautiously optimistic about Overeem coming in. he looked good in his fights in other orgs (besides the Werdum debacle) but he was clearly fighting a lower class of competition. the biggest question was, "could he do it without juicing?" and we definitely got our answer. i have a buddy who was all-in on the Reem bandwagon. former K1 tournament winner, heavyweight champ in strikeforce and dream, believed he was gonna be an all time great. the bigfoot fight destroyed his spirit and he hasn't cared a bit since. That's how I felt, but who thinks Overeem is clean now? He still brings a sort of bruising power he didn't have fighting at 205 in Pride, but his (in)ability to recover from strikes is still the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughsilver Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Thank you Ben Rothwell for avenging the lost UFC 178 main event. Overeem - most overrated heavyweight prospect of all time. Not really. Nobody rates him now he doesn't look like a Fist of the North Star baddie. Nah, I hate Fedor and "PRIDE was better" types too. But I love Anderson Silva, Johny Hendricks and Carlos Condit, so that has to count for sometime in my nihilistic posting ways. You are worryingly quick to hate. I can't conceive of hating someone for preferring a different MMA promotion to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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