cool arrow Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 As far as a good match that Sherri actually wrestled in, the women's match at the first Survivor Series was about as good as a Moolah-era match ever got, thanks to the Jumping Bomb Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The nWo did age really poorly. Hogan did have heat, but that was just WCW crowds who hated him already turning that hatred up a notch. I don't know if Hogan really changed much about himself as a character in terms of his delivery or goofy weirdness, though he did change his offense to back rakes, eye pokes, belt shots, and stalling, which was actually interesting depending on the context. Where the nWo angle goes wrong, at least for me, is when they are setting up a renegade group led by Sting that included a recently-fired Randy Savage and a DDP that was on the outs with his old friends Hall and Nash. That looks REALLY interesting, and they quash it by turning Savage heel on DDP for no reason and having him join up with the guys that tortured him for months. Even something like justifying it by saying that he had his problems with Hogan, but he'd never want to be on the same side as that son-of-a-bitch Ric Flair would have done a bit to make the turn make sense, but really, they should have just run with Sting gathering an army of outcasts that they had going there. That opens up some interesting matchups and storyline possibilities. The other thing that drags this down is that I've seen it and already know that the nWo doesn't get killed off at Starrcade '97. The nWo needed to be put down completely at that point and milking the angle beyond that was just awful, especially that Wolfpac/Black-and-White garbage. Sting joining the nWo was the worst - that never, ever, ever should have happened, but since they needed stuff to do with the nWo in 1998... The reaction Savage got for his sit-down protest on Nitro and when Sting joined him was nuclear and one of WCW's better executed angles. The fact that they made it a distant memory by not building on it and having Savage rejoin the nWo says it all, really. Love the idea of an anti-nWo but not quite part of WCW faction. They hinted at it strongly but never went anywhere with it. Shame. The nWo had some heat left on them after Starrcade but there certainly should've been an end game with them at some point. I liked Sullivan's idea on a recent shoot (I think a timeline of '96 WCW) where Hogan loses clean to Stinger and goes insane watching the footage in a dark room with multiple TVs over and over again with Hall and Nash mocking him, setting up a crazy Hogan face turn IIRC. Sullivan has such a tremendous mind for angles and characters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scraylo187 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Even when I was a kid watching, the moment that I was like 'yeah they should have lost here' was the War Games with the Horsemen. Curt Hennig joining the Horsemen was the coolest fucking thing in the world to me and him turning to join the nWo was juuust stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Love that Nash was pooping on hogan being lame, but in that same NWO promo vid, we get Nash turning to the camera and exclaiming "WE CALL IT ARMAGEDDON. THE GENESIS HAS BEGUN. IT'S A NEW BEGINNING." Look at the adjective mother fucker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammo~! Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I looked around, but didn't see one. I might have just missed it, but are any of you guys playing WWE Supercard? It's pretty addicting. What is it, a booker sim? It's basically pokemon, but with WWE Superstars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkSjAcxmus 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Didn't some fan jump the cage and get beat up during Piper/Hogan (AKA Age in the Cage)? That is absolutely the only thing I recall from that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubtingELDANDY Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Doug Dillinger was the worst head of security if all time. During the nwo era fans hit the ring like crazy. There was one Nitro, I believe emanating from Horseman country, that had five fans hit the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Didn't some fan jump the cage and get beat up during Piper/Hogan (AKA Age in the Cage)? That is absolutely the only thing I recall from that match. Don't forget about Savage missing an axe-handle from about 30'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 There's a story in Jerichos first book of a fan jumping the guardrail and running into the ring during a match of his while he was in WCW and the ref proceeded to beat the person up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Even when I was a kid watching, the moment that I was like 'yeah they should have lost here' was the War Games with the Horsemen. Curt Hennig joining the Horsemen was the coolest fucking thing in the world to me and him turning to join the nWo was juuust stupid. I was a freshman in college then, and late that Sunday night, after working on a paper I checked out the results, leading to my first "Fuck this company" moment with WCW. That was about as clear a sign as possible that there was no interest in pushing Flair or the Horsemen. That happened in Asheville, NC too and may have been the last Fall Brawl they had there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_h Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Didn't some fan jump the cage and get beat up during Piper/Hogan (AKA Age in the Cage)? That is absolutely the only thing I recall from that match. Don't forget about Savage missing an axe-handle from about 30'. I believe that was what finally finished Savage's knees once and for all. I don't know who thought that was a good idea from a guy that was 45... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I remember an awesome Bret Hart rant on Doug Dillenger from a few years back if someone knows where to find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I believe that was what finally finished Savage's knees once and for all. I don't know who thought that was a good idea from a guy that was 45... Probably the guy who dresses like this: When the madness takes hold, the madness takes hold. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I believe that was what finally finished Savage's knees once and for all. I don't know who thought that was a good idea from a guy that was 45... Probably the guy who dresses like this: When the madness takes hold, the madness takes hold. Savage woke up that morning and said to himself, "I want to look like a Good and Plenty. Oh Yeah. Dig It." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEmanWITHnoNAME Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 And now word is we're going to get Jerry Springer inserted into this Bella Twins nonsense. I am sure I am not the only one who is oh so overjoyed at this news. Thanks Vince for transporting us back to early 90s trash TV. So appreciate it, ya senile, out of touch old fuck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'll watch the PPV to see if Bork beats Cena, but honestly, it's probably nothing but football and Nitro reruns for me until the Rumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Dude, eleven year old me was HORRIFIED when Flair got his head smashed, that cemented forever the NWO as scumbags....until the Wolfpack, TOOOOO SWEEEEEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I remember an awesome Bret Hart rant on Doug Dillenger from a few years back if someone knows where to find it? Tried to Google it and got only this from Lance Storm's website: Q: In Bret Hart's autobiography, he claims that Doug Dillinger would sleep on the job while fans stole Bret's jackets. Do you have any funny stories about Dillinger being derelict in his duties? A: I don’t recall dealing with him much, so no. So it's probably in his book. I only got part of the way through it about 4 years ago, but my ex brought it back to the library before I could finish it, so I didn't even get close to the WCW portion of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Dude, eleven year old me was HORRIFIED when Flair got his head smashed, that cemented forever the NWO as scumbags....until the Wolfpack, TOOOOO SWEEEEEET! I was 9 years olf when that happened, and I was a huge NWO fan, but I remember when they showed the pictures of Flair in surgery the next night on Nitro (which years later I read were real pictures-- of Flair getting a facelift) I had wondered if perhaps they went too far (It didn't look that bad during the PPV, so I was just thrilled that Hennig was on our team). But Hennig with the sleeveless Nature Boy robe was just way too awesome for me to start rooting for the babyfaces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 And now word is we're going to get Jerry Springer inserted into this Bella Twins nonsense. I am sure I am not the only one who is oh so overjoyed at this news. Thanks Vince for transporting us back to early 90s trash TV. So appreciate it, ya senile, out of touch old fuck. Morton Downey Jr. turned them down? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Morton Downey Jr. died years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the storyline that resulted in the formation of the Wolfpac start because Nash was having major issues with Savage? And then they both ended up as teammates in the Wolfpac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Not to get off topic but you should def. watch this biography if you haven't seen it. And hey, he was on Wrestlemania V, so it isn't entirely non-wrestling related 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 That doc is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Morton Downey Jr. died years ago. So? Vince probably still has Papa Shango's number somewhere in his rolodex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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