Spontaneous Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He did ride Heath Herring like a rodeo horse though. That was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He did burn down the funeral home with his family inside it, come on now. It's not like anything he did after that was going to do much in the karma department We should all be cheering Brock Lesnar for ending the STREAK of such a heartless man. What evil has Brock Lesnar ever done? He did legit murder a one-legged man in front of his mom once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He did burn down the funeral home with his family inside it, come on now. It's not like anything he did after that was going to do much in the karma department We should all be cheering Brock Lesnar for ending the STREAK of such a heartless man. What evil has Brock Lesnar ever done? He did legit murder a one-legged man in front of his mom once... I doubt Tajiri got laid anytime after his match with the vile asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 He did burn down the funeral home with his family inside it, come on now. It's not like anything he did after that was going to do much in the karma department We should all be cheering Brock Lesnar for ending the STREAK of such a heartless man. What evil has Brock Lesnar ever done? He did legit murder a one-legged man in front of his mom once... I doubt Tajiri got laid anytime after his match with the vile asshole. Yeah yeah but that's just typical heel stuff. It doesn't compare to trying to embalm someone alive, throwing someone off of a cell, burying your mentor in concrete, crucifying someone, kidnapping and trying to force someone to marry you against their will, killing your mother and father, trying to kill your little brother, mentally scarring said younger brother and I'm sure that there are things I forgot. Now Brock Lesnar is trying to save us from the scourge that is John Cena. We know that Vince Russo may be reading but I certainly hope that Paul Heyman is. I want him to know that I support Brock Lesnar wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEN! Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Wasn't Undertaker the babyface and Mankind the heel in that Cell match? It bugs me way more than it should when WWE shows old PWI covers for historical context and they change the old WWF logo into a retro WWE logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Really if you think about, Katie Vick doesn't happen were it not for Undertaker warping Kane all those years earlier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Really if you think about, Katie Vick doesn't happen were it not for Undertaker warping Kane all those years earlier... Most of Kane's atrocities would not have happened if not for The Undertaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Wasn't Undertaker the babyface and Mankind the heel in that Cell ? That's what I mean, in the story of the match how are we supposed to cheer Mankind being thrown, especially, off a house? But we do. This woke discussion has really opened my eyes, fuck the Undertaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I hate how he makes the match about what he went through.I think the fact that, even in the context of a worked match, the character of the Undertaker would throw Mankind off the cell to begin with should cement him as the most ruthless heel ever. He tried to embalm Austin alive and buried Paul Bearer in cement. Taker is a heartless man. He did burn down the funeral home with his family inside it, come on now. It's not like anything he did after that was going to do much in the karma department Yeah but you can't look at it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I really really want to see a in-his-prime Vader w/Harley Race vs. Brock Lesnar w/Paul Heyman, WCW feud style (meaning 12 months of battling). - RAF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 We should all be cheering Brock Lesnar for ending the STREAK of such a heartless man. What evil has Brock Lesnar ever done? He did throw Zack Gowan down a flight of stairs, but no one has left the trail of kayfabe bodies that Taker has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGFanJay Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I really really want to see a in-his-prime Vader w/Harley Race vs. Brock Lesnar w/Paul Heyman, WCW feud style (meaning 12 months of battling). - RAF I've got to do this match in Fire Pro Wrestling Returns - it would be a blast. Edit - it was! A bloody blast, in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Didn't they retcon it back to being Kane who set the fire during the 2010 feud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Going through 1995 WCW right now, I feel the Eddie Guerrero talking point (much like with Austin's) really isn't holding up thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Going back several pages, Bischoff wrote in his book that he gave Hogan the idea to turn first for the nWo and was basically shot down and thrown out of Hogan's house for the suggestion. Easy E then went to Sting who he convinced to do it but The Stinger wasn't really sold on it. Then an unknown amount of time passes before Hogan changes his mind to become the third man. Don't know what the actual timeline is but Sting's memory might be a bit suspect. He credits the idea if the makeup to Scott Hall on Ross's podcast but denies it originally being based on 'The Crow'. Whhhhat? Also, on the OMG WCW release from last month, Hogan reveals the first and only time he used his creative control -- to contest the loss to Jarrett at Bash at the Beach 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Going through 1995 WCW right now, I feel the Eddie Guerrero talking point (much like with Austin's) really isn't holding up thus far. Once the nWo heats up, Eddie's push starts to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Going through 1995 WCW right now, I feel the Eddie Guerrero talking point (much like with Austin's) really isn't holding up thus far. Once the nWo heats up, Eddie's push starts to go away. On the nitro with the back lot breakdown they rearrange the card and Eddie takes on BBM in classic star making style, they did seem to really be pushing the whole crew. I forget where I heard it,I think moan, but supposedly once Hogan was heard saying "the cruiserweights can cruiser wait, brother." If true that's an awesome line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yeah, I mentioned in the Nitro thread that I think Eddie would have been a much bigger deal if the NWO never happens. They were clearly very high on him at the start. He rarely drops falls, and when he does, it's competitive stuff with guys like Flair. He goes toe to toe with Flair and Arn in the WWIII battle royal, pins Pillman. He was positioned pretty well. They even felt the need to protect him in his loss to Konnan at Uncensored. He seemed to just taper off after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yeah, I mentioned in the Nitro thread that I think Eddie would have been a much bigger deal if the NWO never happens. They were clearly very high on him at the start. He rarely drops falls, and when he does, it's competitive stuff with guys like Flair. He goes toe to toe with Flair and Arn in the WWIII battle royal, pins Pillman. He was positioned pretty well. They even felt the need to protect him in his loss to Konnan at Uncensored. He seemed to just taper off after that. I wonder if Flair and Eddie were friends or something b/c he always sold a ton for Guerrero and gave him a lot of offense. Was Flair ever tight with the Guerrero family or was that just a case of Flair being Flair and doing his damndest to get a guy over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yeah, I mentioned in the Nitro thread that I think Eddie would have been a much bigger deal if the NWO never happens. They were clearly very high on him at the start. He rarely drops falls, and when he does, it's competitive stuff with guys like Flair. He goes toe to toe with Flair and Arn in the WWIII battle royal, pins Pillman. He was positioned pretty well. They even felt the need to protect him in his loss to Konnan at Uncensored. He seemed to just taper off after that. I wonder if Flair and Eddie were friends or something b/c he always sold a ton for Guerrero and gave him a lot of offense. Was Flair ever tight with the Guerrero family or was that just a case of Flair being Flair and doing his damndest to get a guy over? I'm thinking the latter, because Flair sold his ass off for guys in WCW with even the most minimal of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Flair's whole move set is different signature bumps. His offense is chops, eye pokes and a figure four no one taps to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGFanJay Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 He joked when Miz got the figure four that at least someone would tap to it now - and he was right. Flair should come back and work a tag as Ric Ziggler in this feud. What the fuck, why not - gets a match out of his system, or just have him work that as a manager and basically do a match without doing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Yeah, I mentioned in the Nitro thread that I think Eddie would have been a much bigger deal if the NWO never happens. They were clearly very high on him at the start. He rarely drops falls, and when he does, it's competitive stuff with guys like Flair. He goes toe to toe with Flair and Arn in the WWIII battle royal, pins Pillman. He was positioned pretty well. They even felt the need to protect him in his loss to Konnan at Uncensored. He seemed to just taper off after that. I wonder if Flair and Eddie were friends or something b/c he always sold a ton for Guerrero and gave him a lot of offense. Was Flair ever tight with the Guerrero family or was that just a case of Flair being Flair and doing his damndest to get a guy over? I'm thinking the latter, because Flair sold his ass off for guys in WCW with even the most minimal of talent. That's true. Just seemed like he always gave Eddie more than usual to me. Would've liked to have seen them work a longer term program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Flair's whole move set is different signature bumps. His offense is chops, eye pokes and a figure four no one taps to. He had a pretty nice butterfly suplex he would bust out every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Flair's whole move set is different signature bumps. His offense is chops, eye pokes and a figure four no one taps to. He had a pretty nice butterfly suplex he would bust out every now and then. This is the sad part of latter day "Flair by the numbers" because his moveset DID shrink over the years. If you watch him against guys that could actually match him talent for talent (Windham and Steamboat come to mind) he had much more in his bag of tricks. His early 80's stuff in Japan, especially with Jumbo, shows his AWA/Verne Gagne roots far better than his 90's/2000's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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