The Unholy Dragon Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Yeah, I don't find most of Final Crisis that hard to follow either. Some of it is easier to place in the DCU with ancillary stuff. The New Gods died, had a war in the afterlife that Darkseid won causing the evil gods to reincarnate on Earth back in Seven Soldiers and slowly build their power base while their living past selves were more in focus. The problem is that they're still dead, just possessing humans, so Darkseid tries to use the Anti-Life Equation, finally found during his time on Earth, to enslave reality and bend it to his will so he can survive. Problem being that his continued existence is destabilizing the multiverse which allows ancient vampire god monitor Mandrakk to escape his eternal prison. I can explain the Monitor stuff too later if needed but that's the Darkseid portion basically. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Just finished Dark Nights: Metal & the Resistance. Not sure why the hell the two were separate considering how connected they are. I assume/hope there is an eventual big book that places them together in order. Overall I enjoyed the heck out of the whole thing. I dug the build. I loved the evil Batmen. It was good seeing various people get their big moments. And the team up that shall never be spoken of was hilarious. I also liked where it ended leaving the universe open for bigger things. This was a pretty fun read that leaves me interested in the stuff building off of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I can see an argument that the time jump is kinda glossed over, and it's just suddenly everything is different with Darkseid having won. I can't wait for the omnibus next month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLSigman Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 18 hours ago, The Unholy Dragon said: Yeah, I don't find most of Final Crisis that hard to follow either. Some of it is easier to place in the DCU with ancillary stuff. The New Gods died, had a war in the afterlife that Darkseid won causing the evil gods to reincarnate on Earth back in Seven Soldiers and slowly build their power base while their living past selves were more in focus. The problem is that they're still dead, just possessing humans, so Darkseid tries to use the Anti-Life Equation, finally found during his time on Earth, to enslave reality and bend it to his will so he can survive. Problem being that his continued existence is destabilizing the multiverse which allows ancient vampire god monitor Mandrakk to escape his eternal prison. I can explain the Monitor stuff too later if needed but that's the Darkseid portion basically. Ah, see, this is what I didn't get in that omnibus. First Orion is dead, then they talk about a bullet going back through time, then Batman is the one who fired it? Also, it was really choppy, going back and forth with the Darkseid and Mandrakk storylines that really weren't connected, or at least not connected well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Darkseid shot the bullet back through time, the Green Lanterns recovered it, Batman had it in his utility belt and then shot Darkseid with it, using his own hubris and weapon against him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLSigman Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Darkseid shot the bullet back through time, the Green Lanterns recovered it, Batman had it in his utility belt and then shot Darkseid with it, using his own hubris and weapon against him. GOTCHA. Thank you! Now that scene makes more sense. Hoopla keeps the checkouts available for a few weeks, so I'll go back and re-read now that I have more of the backstory. I had kinda hoped this particular omnibus would have enough in it so I could understand the background of what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Darkseid shot the bullet back through time, the Green Lanterns recovered it, Batman had it in his utility belt and then shot Darkseid with it, using his own hubris and weapon against him. Three holy shit moments in Batman's history from Final Crisis (one of my favourite comic book events) The clones can't take Batman's trauma/memories. Only Batman can endure them. Batman uses a gun, a once in a lifetime moment. The man in Batman beats the God in Darkseid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Obligatory "fuck all but two pages of Legion of Three Worlds" post because someone brought up Final Crisis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I remain the only person who appreciates Legion of 3 Wrolds and I don't know why... and its more than geeking out at seeing Kono again James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, J.H. said: I remain the only person who appreciates Legion of 3 Wrolds and I don't know why... and its more than geeking out at seeing Kono again James Incorrect. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, J.H. said: I remain the only person who appreciates Legion of 3 Wrolds and I don't know why... and its more than geeking out at seeing Kono again James I think your enjoyment of Lo3W probably correlates directly to your favorite era of LSH. If it's anything pre-ZH it's a well crafted and enjoyable story. If you are partial to the reboot or threeboot versions, it's really frustrating because so many of those characters got used as shitty cannon fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger said: I think your enjoyment of Lo3W probably correlates directly to your favorite era of LSH. If it's anything pre-ZH it's a well crafted and enjoyable story. If you are partial to the reboot or threeboot versions, it's really frustrating because so many of those characters got used as shitty cannon fodder. The Threeboot is the only version I've ever really gotten into, and fuck that mini forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: The Threeboot is the only version I've ever really gotten into, and fuck that mini forever. I liked the revelation that the threeboot LSH was the future of Earth-Prime a lot, it made sense with what Waid set up in early issues. But I fucking hate the way the Reboot and Threeboot Legions are treated as superfluous, with the Levitz Legion being the only one that matters and has personalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger said: I liked the revelation that the threeboot LSH was the future of Earth-Prime a lot, it made sense with what Waid set up in early issues. But I fucking hate the way the Reboot and Threeboot Legions are treated as superfluous, with the Levitz Legion being the only one that matters and has personalities. I mean that's basically Johns' ethos post Wally Flash run in a nutshell. "Sure other periods were cool, but the Silver Age must be best at everything!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I need to reread the first two years of the post-ZH legion sometime. It's so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Matt D said: I need to reread the first two years of the post-ZH legion sometime. It's so great. $12 for 0 thru LSH 73, including the Showcase stories, on Comixology thru Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Did anyone read the Lex Luthor/Porky Pig comic? I saw this and had to get it and if it was a human, it would be an okay story. But with a humanoid Porky Pig and Daffy Duck as an internet troll is up there with the Archie crossovers with Punisher and Predator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Victator said: Did anyone read the Lex Luthor/Porky Pig comic? I saw this and had to get it and if it was a human, it would be an okay story. But with a humanoid Porky Pig and Daffy Duck as an internet troll is up there with the Archie crossovers with Punisher and Predator. Archie vs Predator is a God damn masterpiece 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I did not mean to make it sound bad,just very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Victator said: I did not mean to make it sound bad,just very weird. Did you read Batman/Elmer Fudd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Did you read Batman/Elmer Fudd? You are shitting me. I will go seek it out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Oh it was something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 23 hours ago, Victator said: Did anyone read the Lex Luthor/Porky Pig comic? I saw this and had to get it and if it was a human, it would be an okay story. But with a humanoid Porky Pig and Daffy Duck as an internet troll is up there with the Archie crossovers with Punisher and Predator. Cover for it makes me think it's Professor Pyg LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 21 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: Did you read Batman/Elmer Fudd? Was it written by Tom King? I like some of his stories while others I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Yup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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