The Natural Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: Dark Victory is fine as a story, although it's where you begin to realize Loeb really only has one idea for Batman. But it's also 14 issue of Tim Sale drawing Batman and that is more than worth the money. That's the main reason I haven't read Dark Victory yet. I've read two stories already with Bats against his rogues gallery by Loeb. I really rate The Long Halloween but Hush, oof. If you want to read a Hush story, Heart of Hush it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I like Hush. I thought Loeb made better use of the rogues gallery there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Has the DC/WB gimmick played out? I flipped the new ones today and did not appear to be anything earth shattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Eivion said: I like Hush. I thought Loeb made better use of the rogues gallery there. I don't mind Hush, I think it's perfectly fine in that "comics as a summer blockbuster" mold, but I do think it's the least of his three "Batman runs through the rogues gallery while solving a mystery in a year long arc" and it gets a little too much that he literally did it three times. Plus, while I like Jim Lee, he's no Tim Sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, odessasteps said: Has the DC/WB gimmick played out? I flipped the new ones today and did not appear to be anything earth shattering. I feel like Reverse Speed Buggy may be something they can never top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: I don't mind Hush, I think it's perfectly fine in that "comics as a summer blockbuster" mold, but I do think it's the least of his three "Batman runs through the rogues gallery while solving a mystery in a year long arc" and it gets a little too much that he literally did it three times. Plus, while I like Jim Lee, he's no Tim Sale. Oh I think Hush is the least of three for sure. i just feel like that Loeb did a few things better in it. I also like the reveal of mastermind at the end, but I'm also just fond of that character. Also its weird, but Sale never did a huge amount for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Brian's description of Hush as a Summer Blockbuster is fitting. Like Eivion, the mastermind is also one of my favourite characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I really thought there was no way he was going to do something so obvious and hackneyed as actually having Elliot be Hush, so I guess I was surprised, but not in a good way. 4 hours ago, Eivion said: Also its weird, but Sale never did a huge amount for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 I wonder what young me would think if i could tell them that the guy who wrote Long Halloween and a fun Challngers mini would generate such apathy and/or dislike years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Lee is easily my least favorite major Batman artist. For me its a tie between Adams and Aparo. As far as Batman v. Entier Rogues Gallery goes, my personal fave is Batman 400 or Tec 526 (which is the last time they wrote Killer Croc as somethign more than dumb hired muscle) James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 I love that detective cover. My artist list would likely be ever fluid: Adams, Aparo, Parobeck, Templeton, Newton, JLGL, Chaykin, Simonson, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 No mention of Marshall Rogers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thats what the ... is for. i was trying to do eras in my head quickly. Id be tempted to put Dick Dillin in there just for all the JLA stories he drew involving Batman. i was also trying not to include folks with just one big thing and not a lot else, like McKean with Arkham Asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Adams always struck me as the definitive Batman artist in the same way that Jose Luis Garcia Lopez is the definitive Superman. But about the only thing that keeps Tim Sale from being my favorite penciler ever, period, is the relative lack of output. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 Is the Cap:White book the last "regular" book he has done this decade? And that years to finish. Sale did one of the first sketches i ever got at SD, a Scarecrow. Back then, he was part of the Wagner Mafia tables in artists alley. Matt did a Hunter Rose at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 My Batman artist list be in no order: Adams, Mazzucchelli, Timm, Williams III, Quietly, Capullo, Nguyen, Sale and Bolland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 hours ago, odessasteps said: Is the Cap:White book the last "regular" book he has done this decade? And that years to finish. I think it's the only regular book he's done this decade. He already wasn't extremely prolific before he got the Heroes gig. Since then, though, he's been all but invisible, even years after Heroes ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 BTW, Batman by Loeb & Sale omnibus collecting Haunted Knight, Long Halloween, Dark Victory and Catwoman When in Rome out next week I think, and Marvel Knights Yellow, Blue, Gray & White omnibus out from Marvel in December. I probably won't buy either because I bought the Yellow, Blue and Gray deluxe edition and Cap White deluxe edition awhile back, and I own all the Batman stuff in Absolute, but even at a combined $225 cover price, I'd recommend both (though I'd also recommend buying them from instock for a lot less) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Today I read Batman '66 meets Wonder Woman' 77. Such a fun book making me smile as I read it. Seek it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 11:55 PM, Brian Fowler said: Adams always struck me as the definitive Batman artist in the same way that Jose Luis Garcia Lopez is the definitive Superman. You sure do spell "Curt Swan" an odd way Brian James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 No disrespect to Swan, but Garcia-Lopez's Superman was the one used for officiating merchandise/etc for like twenty five years for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execproducer Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Didn’t Gene Day do something Batman-related before he passed? I always loved his work on Master of Kung Fu and would have loved a run on a Batman book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLSigman Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Was Final Crisis supposed to make any sense? I read the collected issues and wow, what a mess... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, JLSigman said: Was Final Crisis supposed to make any sense? I read the collected issues and wow, what a mess... i read the single issues as they came out and was a bit confused. i re-read them all when #7 came out and it helped, but still didn't make a whole lot of sense. a few years later, i re-re-read the series, this time with all of the tie-ins and i thought it was pretty great. i wouldn't call this a recommendation, per se, but it worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 What's confusing about Final Crisis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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