ebbie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Same people loathing this show and calling it unwatchable will be the same people who watch Summerslam next month, and RAW tomorrow night. And would have been in the same hyperbolic hysterics during every era in company history, especially the successful ones. Is that why they are losing hundreds of millions of dollars? I'd wager that some people actually did stop giving a shit and there's more to come. It's weird that they keep pushing the Network like no one is watching it while at the same time there's nothing that really excites me as a prescriber to keep it. I use my PS3 to watch it and there's hardly anything on it. You got X number of PPVs, and some other shows. But like it's very minimum how much stuff they have on it considering they OWN pretty much every wrestling promotion's library that has been on TV sans TNA and ROH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 If they wanted to put Jericho over Bray, they should've stolen from Raven/Benoit and had Bray laughing in the Walls and finally passing out/having the ref call it with no verbal or physical submission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Von Erich Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The crowd wants Ziggler to have his day so bad. The thing is, he already has had his day. It's like when people were clamoring for Bryan to FINALLY win the title when he had already won both the World and even WWE titles. The people don't want Ziggler to have his day, they want him booked exactly the way they want, which is an entirely different drive than wanting to see the underdog finally triumph. This isn't to say the way he's been booked has been good or interesting, but I think it's an important distinction to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I never wanted a day for Dolph. All I wanted was one summer. One God Damned Summer of Dolph. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 WWE fans don't know what they want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 WWE fans don't know what they want. We know it's not what the WWE wants us to want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The crowd wants Ziggler to have his day so bad. The thing is, he already has had his day. It's like when people were clamoring for Bryan to FINALLY win the title when he had already won both the World and even WWE titles. The people don't want Ziggler to have his day, they want him booked exactly the way they want, which is an entirely different drive than wanting to see the underdog finally triumph. This isn't to say the way he's been booked has been good or interesting, but I think it's an important distinction to make. I don't even think they want "his day" necessarily. They just want to see him presented as a threat and as an important part of RAW. I wouldn't say that WWE fans don't know what they want at this point as the gentleman below you said because there was pretty much a mass uprising when D-Bry was getting shoved aside and Ziggler is still massively over after being booked into oblivion (remember his first WHC run where he never won the belt and then immediately lost it, see how he has been shoved way down the card). I don't particularly like Ziggler or dislike him, but I am impressed that the guy is just over no matter what. That counts for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADCAP Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I thought the PPV was fine. Great opener, I stepped away to pull a bong hit, so I missed the initial Ambrose/Rollins confrontation. The Diva's match was not that bad. LOVED Swagger/Rusev. I was feeling the battle royal until the very end. Seriously, fuck the Miz. I already had a feeling on how the main would in so lowered expectations caused me to not be upset. I thought the Jericho/Wyatt match was pretty competitive. BTW, the "lost to a part-timer" trope is played out. No one said that when Andre or Roughhouse Fargo came into town... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Andre is infinitely cooler than old man Jericho and his mid-life crisis arm tattoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Andre wasn't a "part-timer", he worked the territories. Glastonbury is not a territory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADCAP Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He came into town, did a short program, popped the houses and left the area. How is that not being a part timer in a territory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Because he was generally the special attraction that drew the house. That isn't the case with Jericho. I'm okay with Jericho winning, because the feud isn't over yet and is meant to put Wyatt over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Are you genuinely not seeing a difference between special attractions making the rounds of the territories and guys who do stints of wrestling in between touring/making movies/whatever? I mean at least with Rock and Batista they'd been away awhile. Jericho's doing a new comeback every year. He's like a reverse Terry Funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The crowd wants Ziggler to have his day so bad. The thing is, he already has had his day. It's like when people were clamoring for Bryan to FINALLY win the title when he had already won both the World and even WWE titles. The people don't want Ziggler to have his day, they want him booked exactly the way they want, which is an entirely different drive than wanting to see the underdog finally triumph. This isn't to say the way he's been booked has been good or interesting, but I think it's an important distinction to make. I would like to understand this distinction. Outside of a few blips, the last of which was over a year ago Dolph have been consistently jobbed to anyone and everyone above the lower mid-card. He is given little to no mic time and has had little that would resemble an angle. Right or wrong, this is much more than the audience not happy that their guy doesn't win every match or isn't in a prominent feud. It's more of a "Hello. We like this guy. We find him interesting. Wont someone please take notice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADCAP Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 So I'm assuming when the legends pop up and they beat up one of the current roster, that's all bad too? I heard nothing but praise in this board when Tatanka, Goldust and Mr. Perfect came back for their runs. This part timer stuff has only been prevalent since Punk first said it and now a bunch of y'all have glommed on to it. It's been part of the business since I've been watching wrestling. Time to get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 WWE fans don't know what they want. I know what I want. More Bray, Cesaro, Wyatts, Ambrose, etc and less Cena, Orton and Kane. That's what everyone wants (though I will admit that Cena is still way over and cannot go anywhere for obvious reasons). Why should Jericho beat anyone at this point? Feed him to Bray and move on. He's not even good anymore. If he's going to come back it should be to put the young guys over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Putting young guys over is EXACTLY what he's doing with this feud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Z Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 WWE fans don't know what they want. I know what I want. More Bray, Cesaro, Wyatts, Ambrose, etc and less Cena, Orton and Kane. That's what everyone wants (though I will admit that Cena is still way over and cannot go anywhere for obvious reasons). Why should Jericho beat anyone at this point? Feed him to Bray and move on. He's not even good anymore. If he's going to come back it should be to put the young guys over. If Jericho never wins though, how much does putting them over really mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Putting young guys over is EXACTLY what he's doing with this feud. There doesn't need to be a series of matches. Beat Jericho and move on. Even booking fucking sucks. If Jericho never wins though, how much does putting them over really mean? Eh, he's Chris Jericho. He's been around for twenty years. He's held every title under the sun. I don't think he needs another win any time soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 This show was an utter failure. However, it does yet again prove how a lot of the rumors from the dirtsheets are BS considering the Observer was writing that Cesaro was going to win the battle royal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Putting young guys over is EXACTLY what he's doing with this feud. There doesn't need to be a series of matches. Beat Jericho and move on. Even booking fucking sucks. If Jericho never wins though, how much does putting them over really mean? Eh, he's Chris Jericho. He's been around for twenty years. He's held every title under the sun. I don't think he needs another win any time soon. That's the mistaken assumption they made with Dolph/Jericho and to a lesser extent Punk/Jericho. They seem to be getting the feud right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 How long until Bray Wyatt can put over Luke Harper in a match? This is what I want to know too, since Harper is the real breakout star of The Wyatt Family, much like Dean Ambrose is the star of The Shield. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 There doesn't need to be a series of matches. Beat Jericho and move on. Even booking fucking sucks. A million times this. The even-stevens booking is what currently kills WWE & makes it so boring. Every show feels like rehashed shit we've already seen a dozen times. Not because there's not two world titles. Not because there's not a brand split. But because we HAVE seen it all before. That's why part-timer Brock Lesnar as champion, I think, would work. He's not horribly over-exposed & he still feels fresh & special. Unlike say, oh, I dunno, Chris Jericho...who comes back & instantly feels like old news again. See also: Dam, Rob Van Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 RVD is injured supposedly, so you can take a sigh of relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 We've had this discussion a hundred times but a huge problem is also the amount of TV time. If you're going to have John Cena appear on both RAW and SD! and PPVs, that's a ton of fucking Cena over the course of a month and he's required to wrestle on most of those shows also.. Last night felt like a RAW because there was nothing on it that couldn't have been on RAW any other week. That's why fresh faces absolutely need to be pushed. So many of these guys whether it's Cena, Orton, Kane, etc. are so stale. If I didn't watch RAW tonight I wouldn't feel like I'd be missing much. When Bryan, Wyatts, Cesaro and The Shield were taking over most of the TV time I felt I needed to see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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