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I wish whoever had the power to make such decisions would just make Halloween the last Saturday of October and make Thanksgiving the last Thursday of November.

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5 hours ago, AxB said:

See Black Friday, that's supposed to be the day after Thanksgiving, right? And Thanksgiving is the last Thursday in November, yeah? Like a week today. So why in the bloody hell am I seeing adverts in the paper saying Black Friday sale starts November 16th?

Stupid imported holidays, there's no need for it. Did anyone in America set off Fireworks on Bonfire night? Did they bollocks like.

Correct you are, "Black Friday" is traditionally the day after Thanksgiving. However, merchants being merchants, the only thing that I find surprising in your post is that you haven't seen any earlier "Black Friday" sale notices. Trust me on this one, it's not at all unusual to see sale notices for the first Thursday in November.  I don't know what the scene is like on your side of the pond, but there isn't enough money in the world to induce me to go shopping on Black Friday. It's a fucking madhouse out there and I'll have no part of it. My nephew and his wife are total zombies for this shit, staying up all night so they hit the stores as soon as they open (that's another factor that hopefully hasn't made its way across the Atlantic, stores opening at ridiculous hours for Black Friday.) It used to be the crack of dawn, now the trend is to open at one minute past midnight. Fuck that shit, conspicuous consumption at its level worst makes lighting fires to celebrate the failure of Guy Fawkes and his pals blowing up the House of Lords seem quite practical.

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Pretty sure 90% of people who know anything about Bonfire Night here learned it from the V For Vendetta movie.

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12 hours ago, Mike Campbell said:

I wish whoever had the power to make such decisions would just make Halloween the last Saturday of October and make Thanksgiving the last Thursday of November.

I absolutely agree with this.  It bums me out when  Halloween is in the middle of the week.  Doubly so considering late September/early October is when they go hardcore with the Christmas advertising.  Between that and stores opening on Thanksgiving it's made me largely sour on Christmas.   The only thing that helps bring any kind of Christmas spirit is seeing my nephews take part in all the fun which is nice.

I will admit to taking a perverse pleasure out of seeing people kill themselves on Black Friday.  Before they changed it years ago Best Buy would open at 4am.  For no good reason my wife and I got up early just to see the chaos.  And holy crap was it delightfully chaotic.  Not only that but as we're chilling out watching it all go down somebody comes up who was crazy/dumb enough to check it out like we were.  While we didn't need any fancy gadgets we did end up getting a few games.  Nowadays with it opening on Thanksgiving that takes the fun out it all because no way am I ditching Thanksgiving just for that.

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Since 10 minutes in a grocery store is enough to make me extremely unpleasant to be around, I can't imagine going anywhere on black Friday.  A few years ago some of my wife's cousins were here over Thanksgiving, so they borrowed my truck to head out at 3 AM for that stupidity.  Damn thing came back full of necessities like tupperware.  Then they had to ship all that junk back to California.

Also, the source of my knowledge of Guy Fawkes:

 

 

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I mean ... if you're not way too stuffed and half asleep on a couch watching football by 6pm, you're doing Thanksgiving wrong.

The thought of actually getting up and dealing with those crazy Black Friday crowds on top of that is insane to me.

(edit) that being said, I'll sure as hell sit at work Friday afternoon refreshing deals looking for crap to buy that I don't need. 

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How to do Black Friday shopping if you are sane:

1) Pre-Black Friday deals are nearly as good as the ones actually on the day. A couple years ago, I got a 40" 1080p TV for $200. On Black Friday, if I'd wanted it for 12 bucks cheaper, I could have subjected myself to massive crowds and lines. Instead, I showed up to Best Buy a couple weeks before, found a clerk, said "I'll take one of those" and got out of there in about 10 minutes.

2) Cyber Monday, aka Black Friday for the internet. Buy shit there, then go make a sandwich.

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Black Friday is one of those things that is distinctly Not For Me, but some people enjoy it so whatever.

Starting Black Friday on Thursday so people have to work Thanksgiving is the hottest of bullshit.

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The wife and I almost always go out and run around in the middle of the night to hit the Black Friday sales.  Sometimes, we meet up with other couples.  Honestly, I kinda enjoy it.

Walked into the local Barnes and Noble today for the first time in a while and wanted to pitch a fit.  In my absence, the store decided to reorganize.  The record and DVD section which made up the back third of the store got moved forward.  CD and DVD selection seems to have been gutted.  Vinyl section is now much larger.  I can live with that.  Back of the store is now "puzzles and games" which means a wall of those Funko Pop things, Harry Potter collectibles, Dr. Who, pop culture t-shirts, etc.  Ugh.  I also noticed more bric-a-brac on tables in the aisles and the Young Adult section - which was sizable anyway - has gotten even larger.

Ehhh.... I'm of two minds about this.   I mean, on the one hand stores do what they need to get people in the doors and push merch out the doors, so can't fault them for that.  And it's not like B&N was only selling books anyways.  Their CD/DVD section and coffee shop say hi.  Still, as someone who has a valuable book collection (about 1,000 titles - mostly on running/swimming/triathlon/etc, lots of imports, lots of rare first edition, lots of signed books) and thinks e-readers are the work of the devil.... I WAS NOT PLEASED!

Next, some one will tell me EB Games has shoved their game sections to the corners so they can pile Funko Pop dolls and Hot Topic tees in the middle of the store.  Wait... wha....

(Actually, I can understand why book stores can't make a go of it just selling books these days,  I'm a lot more mystified as to why a video game store can't make a go of it these days.)

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