(BP) Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 On the lighter side of things, hackers replaced ISIS Twitter accounts' content with gay porn. http://www.newsweek.com/isis-twitter-accounts-gay-porn-orlando-attacks-anonymous-470300 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 30 minutes ago, jumbojustice said: I agree it's by no means an easy problem to solve. But I suppose the counter argument to what you said would be that there are tons of examples of countries where buying a gun is more difficult and where gun control is stricter, and these countries tend to have a lot less gun violence and mass shootings. Whereas drug prohibition seems to fail wherever it is tried. So I don't know if that analogy is totally apt. There are obviously cultural factors relating to views on guns that make America a special case, but in principal it's hard to see why America shouldn't be able to get to where almost every other country is, if the political will was there. It wouldn't happen over night though, that's for sure. But think about how many guns are already in circulation. And think about the black market trade that would spring up for guns, probably made in foreign countries. Plus you know there'd be people making them on the sly here like people are growing bunches of pot in states where it's still against the law. And don't even get me started on 3-D printing. Genie's out of the bottle. We can cap the bottle, but I'm not sure we're stuffing that genie back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbojustice Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 All good points. If it is possible to change, I think it would take years, probably decades, of slowly rolling things back by tightening regulations and taking guns out of circulation, plus limiting the number (and type) of guns going into circulation. More importantly, I think it would require addressing the strange cultural notions that more guns = more freedom, that more guns is the solution to every problem, and that any attempt to have a rational discussion about guns is an evil government plot. And I don't know how you would even go about doing that, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincey Greene Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 hours ago, jstout said: It bothered me to the core that I was much more bothered by Draymond Green getting suspended than the shootings because the shootings are just another side effect of living in America. I mean, no president is gonna march the military into people's houses confiscating guns, let's be real with ourselves. And there's already so many guns out there that you're not putting that genie back in the bottle. And if you tighten gun shop buying, they'll buy somewhere else. It's like trying to illegalize drugs. If someone wants to do drugs bad enough or buy a gun bad enough, there'll be a way. There could be a mass, 50-person shooting every day in America and nothing will ever change. Ever. That attitude is why we are where we are and I don't at all mean that as a dig. I refuse to not want better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Imagine if their was a "War on Guns" akin to the "War on Drugs" that was started in the 80s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Call it the war on "Snug"gling and people would jump on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 42 minutes ago, Vincey Greene said: That attitude is why we are where we are and I don't at all mean that as a dig. I refuse to not want better. No dig taken. And you can want better all you want, but that don't mean it's gonna get better. That Jim Beam commercial makes me want Mila Kunis, but I doubt she's dropping by the house anytime soon. I want things to change, too, but the gun culture is too entrenched, too dug in, too old to be stopped now, between the money and the politicians and the cold dead hands crowd. If you take it away, people will want it more, just like alcohol during prohibition. And even if there is a ban put in place, as soon as the political stars line up the wrong way for gun control, any gains made will be lost immediately. That's one of the seeemingly thousands of reasons why nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Murphy is doing CT proud. Finally someone in this state I kind of like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 17 hours ago, Pete said: Uh, when did Bob Weir morph into Jerry Garcia? He just grew a beard. Didn't start eating nothing but chili dogs and milkshakes, smoking two packs a day, and having an on again off again heroin problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Seems like Murphy at least got the bills they had waiting around doing nothing to be put up for a vote, so that's at least a minor success. Anyone stupid enough to vote against the basic junk that they are is going to get hurt badly in the general if they're spot is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Ryan said: Seems like Murphy at least got the bills they had waiting around doing nothing to be put up for a vote, so that's at least a minor success. Anyone stupid enough to vote against the basic junk that they are is going to get hurt badly in the general if they're spot is up. Never underestimate the stupidity of politicians who are so far up the NRA's ass that they know what Wayne LaPierre had for breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It sounds like what's being put to vote are measures the GOP and NRA were already going to be amenable to, but it's something. I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Doesn't mean they won't still fight them on some idiotic principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Besides, the Senate is one thing, and is relatively reasonable. Good luck getting that through this House. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Either way it's heartening to see dems standing on this issue and not running from it. It could be a temporary thing given that 1) this is a presidential election year and lefties tend to actually show up for those as opposed to a midterm year when they stay home 2) Maybe this is a little bit of dividends from the Bernie bump, coming off a primary with a strong progressive surge among young voters there is energy on the left Or maybe it's longer term and the NRA is no longer a guaranteed plus for the right in national elections and in some states...and in some states and national politics may now be a liability. Certainly Clinton is running as way more overtly pro gun control than Obama ever would have dared. That may be just because she's freed up a bit since she's running against a sentient slug and not a viable opponent or it could be a sign that it's no longer something to be afraid of as a national candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 22 hours ago, jstout said: But think about how many guns are already in circulation. And think about the black market trade that would spring up for guns, probably made in foreign countries. Plus you know there'd be people making them on the sly here like people are growing bunches of pot in states where it's still against the law. And don't even get me started on 3-D printing. Genie's out of the bottle. We can cap the bottle, but I'm not sure we're stuffing that genie back in. When I was growing up, there was a bridge in my hometown that was close to a bar and had a shockingly high rate of suicide from people getting drunk and jumping off it. Like, dozens of suicides a year. It was insane. When I was about 10, they put a fence on a bridge, so you'd have to climb it if you wanted to kill yourself. The rate dropped dramatically. There was another bridge less than a quarter mile away on the same road that would have been just as effective, but the immediacy was gone, and so was the problem. This is obviously anecdotal, but I think you are underestimating the effect that even the mildest deterrents have on people. Will gun control stop gun violence? No, only a fool would argue that. That being said, we have to do something to set the generations after us up for success. I would gladly live in a world with horrific gun violence and laws that make it theoretically harder to defend myself if it even had the most minor chance of making people's lives better 30 years from now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincey Greene Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 18 hours ago, jstout said: EDIT: I meant to quote the above post by JRGoldman. This system hates my phone. Right. Exactly this. I have a daughter. One day she will quite possibly have children. I'm looking out for them. I'm already 35, I have no illusions about a peaceful easy America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I don't get or ever understand how when someone says "hey, maybe we need universal background checks and maybe people on the FBI watch list shouldn't be able to buy AR-15s or hey maybe people who have mental issues shouldn't be buying guns" someone else replies "THEY TRYIN TO TAKE ERR GUNS" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The mentally ill terrorists have the right to weapons too or something? I have also seen no proof that aforementioned slug is sentient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The FBI did make the point that blocking sales to anyone in the watchlist might tip them off... On the other hand, someone tipped off and scared of the FBI who might not end up arrested > 102 people shot by a psychopath who legally bought his weapons despite the fucking watchlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Maybe while the waiting period is going on, have the FBI arrest them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well, presumably the FBI doesn't have the evidence for an arrest warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Waiting period? Didn't some states say "fuck that"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Fuck you to the murderer of Jo Cox MP, shot and stabbed yesterday. Thoughts go out to Jo's family and friends at this trying time. Tragic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Stupid nationalist fuck, there's voting for the Brexit thing and then there's being totally batshit nuts. He apparently donated a lot of money to a defunct Neo-Nazi group. Oy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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