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I have seen some of Aries's comments about fans running the show or calling botches and I can't tell if he is just passionate and opinionated or just a complete asshole.

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I may have touched on this in the omnibus thread, but I was home on a Thursday and caught Impact a few weeks ago. What the hell is the point of this Willow thing? Especially when Voodoo Chili and The Taz are going on about how it's "Jeff Hardy's alter-ego." Initially I thought it was supposed to be like a Midnight Rider/Mr. America type thing, but apparently that's not the case. Now, I haven't been a big Jeff Hardy guy in years, but the guy DOES have his fans-- why would you put one of the biggest name guys you have left (relatively speaking) under a hood? And STILL acknowledge it's the same guy? Just makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

It's more like Mick Foley as Cactus Jack or Mankind.  Or Beyonce as Sasha Fierce.  We know who he is.  He's a nutjob who uses an alternative persona to act out and do things he wouldn't normally do.

 

I actually like the Willow character.  It takes the real-world insanity of Jeff Hardy and turns it up to eleven.

 

No, it doesn't. It's just Jeff playing dress-up and cackling like a moron while wearing velvet and a faux-Warlord vest while Tenay blathers on about how unpredictable he is.

 

 

Are you saying that Jeff Hardy is not legit nuts?

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Not news, but I got bored and used the fightdb.com site to figure out the "linear" TNA title going back to the first weekly PPV:

 

1-Ken Shamrock 6/19/02
2-Ron Killings 8/7/02
3-Jerry Lynn 9/25/02
4-Satoshi Kojima 9/26/02
5-Shinya Hashimoto 6/13/03
6-Toshiaki Kawada 2/22/04
7-Vampiro 3/20/04

*Title is Vacated on 3/20/05*

8-Jeff Jarrett 3/20/05
9-AJ Styles 5/15/05
10-Jimmy Rave 7/23/05
11-Austin Aries 8/13/05
12-Christopher Daniels 8/14/05
13-Shark Boy 8/16/05
14-Christopher Daniels [2] 9/27/05
15-Scorpio Sky 10/14/05
16-Scott Lost 11/19/05
17-Scorpio Sky [2] 12/3/05
18-Colt Cabana 12/16/05
19-Steve Madison 2/18/06
20-Tony Mamaluke 3/3/06
21-Bryan Danielson 3/18/06
22-Samoa Joe 10/28/06
23-Kurt Angle 11/19/06
24-Samoa Joe [2] 12/10/06
25-Kurt Angle [2] 1/14/07
26-Christian Cage 2/11/07
27-Abyss 7/30/07
28-Kurt Angle [3] 9/9/07
29-Sting 10/14/07
30-Kurt Angle [4] 10/15/07
31-Tomko 1/22/08
32-Naoya Ogawa 4/12/08
33-Montanha Sila 6/23/08
34-Naoya Ogawa [2] 8/15/08

*Title Vacated on 8/15/09*

35-Kurt Angle [5] 8/15/09
36-Desmond Wolfe 10/21/09
37-Kurt Angle [6] 11/15/09
38-AJ Styles [2] 1/4/10
39-D'Angelo Dinero 1/19/10
40-Desmond Wolfe [2] 3/23/10
41-D'Angelo Dinero [2] 4/5/10
42-AJ Styles [3] 4/18/10
43-Rob Van Dam 4/19/10
44-Kazarian 11/8/10
45-Douglas Williams 11/16/10
46-Abyss [2] 1/9/11
47-Matt Morgan 1/10/11
48-Mr. Anderson 2/1/11
49-Jeff Hardy 2/13/11
50-Sting [2] 2/24/11
51-Rob Van Dam [2] 3/28/11
52-Abyss [3] 4/19/11
53-Crimson 5/15/11
54-James Storm 6/10/12
55-Jeff Hardy [2] 7/5/12
56-Bully Ray 3/10/13
57-Chris Sabin 7/17/13
58-Bully Ray [2] 8/15/13
59-Sting [3] 8/29/13
60-Magnus 10/20/13
61-Eric Young 4/10/14
62-Bobby Lashley 5/7/14
 

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So Daniel Bryan is a former TNA Heavyweight champion?

Like the WWE "linear" title (currently held by Cesaro), it's not an actual title, but based on the idea that the "title" is on the line whenever the "champion" is in a one-on-one match. The fake title spent a lot of time outside TNA when their talents were less exclusive.

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If one accepts that originally TNA used the NWA title and that they eventually switched to their own title this would be their linear title lineage. It starts with Kurt Angle, who was the first TNA champion in a legit sense, and ends up being very TNA in the present.

 

Kurt Angle 05-13-2007

Jay Lethal 09-09-2007

Christopher Daniels 09-10-2007

Jay Lethal (2) 10-14-2007

Johnny Devine 01-21-2008

Rhino 03-12-2008

Toru Yano 03-19-2008

Giant Bernard 03-23-2008

Hiroshi Tanahashi 03-23-2008

Shinsuke Nakamura 03-30-2008

Keiji Muto 04-27-2008

Hiroshi Tanahashi (2) 01-04-2009

Manabu Nakanishi 05-06-2009

Hiroshi Tanahashi (3) 06-20-2009

Takao Omori 08-07-2009

Masato Tanaka 08-09-2009

Togi Makabe 08-13-2009

Shinsuke Nakamura (2) 09-27-2009

Togi Makabe (2) 05-03-2010

Tetsuya Naito 08-06-2010

Toru Yano (2) 08-12-2010

Hiroshi Tanahashi (4) 08-13-2010

Prince Devitt 08-14-2010

Toru Yano (3) 08-15-2010

TAJIRI 10-11-2010

Michael Kovac 01-29-2011

Tatanka 02-18-2011

Joe E. Legend 02-25-2011

El Ligero 03-18-2011

Deano 03-26-2011

CJ Banks 04-02-2011

Kid Fite 04-03-2011

Chaos 04-16-2011

Killer Karlson 05-28-2011

Chaos (2) 08-27-2011

Lionheart 09-03-2011

Wolfgang 10-21-2011

BT Gunn 04-01-2012

Red Lightning 06-03-2012

BT Gunn (2) 06-29-2012

Red Lightning (2) 07-01-2012

U-Gene 12-07-2012

Dave Mastiff 12-09-2012

El Ligero (2) 01-27-2013

Super Crazy 02-01-2013

Joey Hayes 02-02-2013

Noam Dar 02-02-2013

Andy Wild 02-16-2013

Wolfgang (2) 02-17-2013

Kid Fite (2) 03-23-2013

Johnny Moss 06-21-2013

BT Gunn (3) 09-27-2013

Jack Jester 04-06-2014

El Ligero (3) 06-07-2014

Rampage Brown 06-08-2014

Zack Gibson 06-13-2014

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Does the lineal title change hands on a DQ or countout? 

 

Most linear titles mock-ups I've seen follow these general rules,

 

  1. Title could only change hands in singles (i.e. one on one) matches.
  2. Title can not be lost by countout or disqualification (keeping with the traditional rules of pro wrestling)
  3. Title could be lost by pinfall, submission, or by a match stipulation.
  4. Title could be lost by Referee Stoppage
  5. Title could not be lost in an Multiple Man (Triple Threat, Elimination Chamber, etc) or Tag Team Match
  6. Title must be defended (i.e. wrestle a one on one match) every 365 days.
  7. The Linear Title is not bound to the "insert fed here".  If the champion loses anywhere (Japan, another territory, etc.), they lose the Linear Title.

Those are courtesy of Jason Felix over at Voices of Wrestling, who I believe started this Linear title thing.

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Not to derail the thread, but I was hoping to get something cool out of the AWA title still being active. Sadly (or cool if this were actually a thing and WWE all of a sudden brought back the AWA title) the linear AWA title only lasts until Hulk Hogan's first reign, and then it's the same as the WWF title the rest of the way. Technically that means Cesaro is currently both the WWE and AWA champion (and a quick mock up of the ECW (beginning in 1994 when they officially became known as Extreme Championship Wrestling) linear title history reveals that Cesaro is currently the triple crown champion of AWA, ECW, and WWF). Either way, here's the AWA linear title until Hogan,

 

Verne Gagne 08-16-1960

Bob Geigel 05-10-1961

Hard Boiled Haggerty 06-07-1961

Bob Geigel (2) 07-07-1961

Leo Nomellini 07-25-1961

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Gene Kiniski 07-25-1962

Buddy Rogers 07-30-1962

Lou Thesz 01-24-1963

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Mad Dog Vachon 07-20-1966

Verne Gagne (2) 02-26-1967

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Verne Gagne (3) 11-25-1968

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Verne Gagne (4) 08-14-1971

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Nick Bockwinkel 06-25-1977

Crusher 02-03-1980

Jerry Blackwell 10-06-1980

Crusher (2) 10-11-1980

*Vacated due to inactivity*

Nick Bockwinkel 05-02-1982

David Schultz 07-16-1982

Gerry Morrow 09-12-1982

Keith Hart 10-08-1982

Hubert Gallant 11-12-1982

Keith Hart (2) 11-19-1982

Leo Burke 02-11-1983

Dynamite Kid 03-04-1983

Cuban Assassin 05-22-1983

Bruce Hart 06-04-1983

Cobra 09-02-1983

Keith Hart (3) 09-12-1983

Cuban Assassin (2) 11-21-1983

Sonny Two Rivers 12-19-1983

Kerry Brown 02-03-1984

Sonny Two Rivers (2) 02-10-1984

Killer Khan 02-26-1984

Dynamite Kid (2) 03-10-1984

Bad News Allen 03-28-1984

Dynamite Kid (3) 04-04-1984

Tatsumi Fujinami 07-26-1984

Hulk Hogan 02-05-1985

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