Dolfan in NYC Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 And here we go... Game 1: MIA at SAS | Thu., Jun. 5, 9:00 PM ET | ABC Game 2: MIA at SAS | Sun., Jun. 8, 8:00 PM ET | ABC Game 3: SAS at MIA | Tue., Jun. 10, 9:00 PM ET | ABC Game 4: SAS at MIA | Thu., Jun. 12, 9:00 PM ET | ABC Game 5: MIA at SAS | Sun., Jun. 15 | ABC | If Needed Game 6: SAS at MIA | Tue., Jun. 17 | ABC | If Needed Game 7: MIA at SAS | Fri., Jun. 20 | ABC | If Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Gee the NBA doesn't drag out the finals at all. . . (EYE ROLL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 LOL! I was thinking about that right when the game ended tonight that the Draft is usually a few days after what would be a game 7 (if necessary) and that's 3 weeks away. Should be a fun series. I'm leaning towards the Heat winning, but the Spurs do have that bad taste from last year. Parker has some time to get healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Two huge differences from last year... Spurs have home court advantage and the 2-2-1-1-1 format. If Parker can contribute in a meaningful way then I give the edge to the Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 PREDICTION: BULLS. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonL21 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Those in the media are gonna be pissed they won't get the middle three games in Miami on the company's dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 If LeBron wins: "He's the greatest ever! No discussion!" If LeBron loses: "Break up the Heat! LeBron should leave! LeBron underachieved!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 If LeBron wins: "He's the greatest ever! No discussion!" And I will say greatest nope he still lost 2 MJ lost 0 6-0 is still better the 3-2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I will never, ever understand that particular argument (despite thinking that, no, winning the title this year will not make Lebron the best ever, no argument.) Because let's say when Lebron retires, he's gotten 6 rings. 6-3 in NBA Finals appearances, just for arguments sake. That would mean he made it to the finals 3 more times than Jordan, and that would, to my mind, be clearly and unarguably be better. (There is also, of course, the problem of judging individual greatness on team success, but I think the NBA lends itself to that particular fallacy more than the other major team sports.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Ranking players based on Finals they won or played in is silly if you want to hold Jordan up on a pedestal. Kareem, the only other guy with a real legit argument as the GOAT IMO, played in like 10. I agree with Brian, It's more impressive to get there 10 times while winning 6 than going 6-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Plus, Russell has 11, so... If that's our metric, everyone else can go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Robert Horry, greatest ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Anyone that uses Jordan's championship/MVP/All-Star/All-NBA stats to deem him the greatest and doesn't include Kareem in the discussion can kindly GTFOH. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 So we're just going to forget that Jordan retired twice when it's certainly possible he could have (and probably would have) won again the following year? I don't do this argument because nobody is even close to MJ. When someone gets close then we can discuss it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 That makes it worse, IMO. He could have, in theory. But he quit/retired/left/got suspended. Whatever. In the end, he didn't. It's subjective, and I don't see anyone arguing. What's wrong with throwing out other names? It's not like Gilbert Arenas is being considered for GOAT. A goat, maybe, but not GOAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It's not subjective. Six titles and six finals MVPs are only the start of what Jordan accomplished. I have no issue arguing it if someone were close.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 We put Kareem out there for you. Either you're not reading or think he's flawed. Of course it's subjective. If it wasn't, then there would be no discussion by anyone. But since you said there isn't one, you must be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Horace Grant leaving Chicago for Orlando is really underrated and undersold as a reason the Bulls wouldn't have won in 1995 even with Jordan playing a full season. If you want to fantasy book Jordan not retiring and playing straight through 39-40 he wins in 91, 92, 93, 94, 96, probably '97 and that may be it, so he still likely finishes with 6. Jordan in 1998 against Utah was running on fumes and had to use every little trick he could think of to win, it's my favorite MJ performance, Pippen was falling apart and the team was really old. If they win that additional championship in 1994 (which isn't guaranteed 'cause Hakeem) then winning in 1998 and beyond might be too much to ask for, even from MJ, without a major, massive roster retooling and overhaul. I just don't see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Bulls won 55 games without MJ in '94. Pippen nearly won the MVP. I'm pretty confident they would have had a nice shot at it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 They lost Horace Grant and had to go with Kukoc, Longley, Wennington, and Perdue down low in '95 and Hakeem is lurking if they can get to the Finals. Horace Grant is really one of the most criminally underrated players of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Did I just see someone name Robert Horry? LOL. That's the oldest trick in the book. It was dumb when it started and it's still dumb. Horry wasn't even close to being the best player on any of his championship teams. Nice try but it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Pretty sure it was said sarcastically... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yes, that's what I'm saying. Whenever the topic of # of championships won is discussed there's always that one guy who says "Robert Horry and Steve Kerr must be the best ever!" as an attempt to make the argument look ridiculous when in fact it's a perfectly fine argument to have because basketball is a sport where the team with the best player usually wins.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 So, Bill Russell best ever discussion over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 So, Bill Russell best ever discussion over? I'm okay with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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