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Every comic fan's bumped into them. "Oh hey! I love comics yeah. Venom and the Spawn are awesome. Once I saw these awesome real wolverine claws in a magazine. I read this comic where he killed like sixty ninjas. What do you think about a skull tattoo?"

 

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Which sucks, because way back in '94ish Deadpool was one of my favorite characters, and nobody else was into him. 

 

Yes, I'm apparently a hipster when it comes to Deadpool.

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I think people let the 3rd movie color their opinion of Maguire's work too much. He was terrific as Peter Parker in the first two movies. Not his fault the 3rd one was shit and forced him to do all that stupid stuff.

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Even Spectacular Spider-man, which is the best Spidey adaptation ever, had it's weakest episodes be the Venom ones.  Venom is a fucking awful character.

Nobody important watched Spectacular Spider-Man. The Spider-Man cartoon that important people watched was 90's Spider-Man. And the best 5 episodes on that program were all Venom episodes. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it pal!

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Fox also put out 4 shitty Marvel movies in Elektra, Daredevil, and the two Fantastic Four films. I have more faith in Marvel Studios than Fox or Sony. Hell, Sony was specifically the CAUSE of the suckiness of Spidey 3 due to demanding Venom.

Spider-man 3 was completely on Raimi. It was self-sabotage/interest. The film could have improved tons if he had dropped the Sandman part of the story and properly focused on the Harry/Green Golbin and Venom sides. He had to retcon his own continuity to make his Sandman story work.

 

Even Spectacular Spider-man, which is the best Spidey adaptation ever, had it's weakest episodes be the Venom ones.  Venom is a fucking awful character.

I actually thought the 90's series did a better job with Venom. That said, I can't even remotely agree with you with on SS's Venom episodes being the weakest in the series.

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Every comic fan's bumped into them. "Oh hey! I love comics yeah. Venom and the Spawn are awesome. Once I saw these awesome real wolverine claws in a magazine. I read this comic where he killed like sixty ninjas. What do you think about a skull tattoo?"

 

Reprobates.

As a guy who's been a comics collector since 1975, lived at conventions as a young teen, and remained a collector up until about 7 years ago....that's the attitude that makes me hate comic book fans. The fact that anyone thinks that ANY comic book is cool should be a thing to celebrate. That's the opportunity to say, "Hey, you'd probably dig this." and hand them an issue of Judge Dredd from the 80's, not look down at them.

 

And the initial Venom story from Amazing 299-300 was awesome.

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Forgot about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. First episode was shown at San Diego Comic-Con 2013 and here's IGN's review:

 

Going the classic route of introducing us to a team via a newcomer, Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. -- which was shown as a surprise at San Diego Comic-Con -- begins with Agent Grant Ward (Brett Dalton), a S.H.I.E.L.D. badass used to working on his own. But Ward’s skill set has put him on the radar of Agent Maria Hill (guest star Cobie Smulders, reprising her Avengers role)… Oh, and a guy named Agent Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg).

 

It seems Coulson -- whose miraculous resurrection is explained (in a way – more on that later) -- is putting together a squad to investigate the emerging world of superheroes and villains, and Ward is his latest recruit. Coulson has also brought in young specialists Fitz (Iain De Caestecker) and Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge) and a veteran S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, Melinda May (Ming-Na Wen), with a mysterious past of her own. Soon this new group, part of “Level 7,” are on the hunt for a man (J. August Richards) who used his superhuman abilities to save someone from a fire, with Coulson warning that other far more nefarious groups are no doubt seeking this person as well.

 

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had me a few minutes in, when Ward is introduced, in a scene that acts as a cool spy sequence that, naturally, escalates into violence, yet is also extremely funny. Per usual, Joss Whedon (who directed the pilot and co-wrote it with Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen) proves how deft he is at mixing together several different tones and expertly making them mesh, as Ward’s mission involves some hysterical beats and some awesome action.

 

After months of speculation about S.H.I.E.L.D., it was very gratifying to see that Whedon had plenty of surprises in store, managing to take the story and players in unexpected directions. Several characters aren’t what they seem or reveal notable layers beyond what is first presented, while plenty of groundwork is set for the future. From the past Melinda doesn’t want to talk about to the exact circumstances of Coulson’s return, there is a lot of ground left to cover in the episodes to come.

 

Don’t expect Marvel characters to be jumping out in every scene, as the focus in the pilot is on Coulson and his crew, plus the hacker Skye (Chloe Bennet), whose fascination (and adoration) of superheroes and suspicion of S.H.I.E.L.D. puts her on their radar. There are certainly characters who could be revealed as more directly connected to the comics though and Whedon not only puts in some very fun nods (an old Marvel title is used as a phrase at one point) but also one big tie-in to a Marvel movie plotline. And little touches, like a mention of “Agent Romanoff”, are obviously going to be appreciated by those looking for the continuity threads.

 

Gregg is his usual warm, relatable presence as Coulson, with Wen quickly establishing a world-weary but formidable character. Per usual for a pilot, there’s only so much time to introduce everyone, but it looks to be a very promising group. The rest of the cast, mostly unknown, are all likable and work well together with Henstridge and De Caestecker bringing laughs as an adorably in sync duo who act almost like twins, Dalton coming off as believably tough and skeptical and Bennet appropriately plucky and sarcastic as the in over her head Skye.

 

Whedon’s cleverness and wit run strong through Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and while there are a couple of moments that don’t quite work, in terms of humor, for the most part, this is an incredibly crowd-pleasing pilot. Those looking for the scale of the Marvel movies will be disappointed – this is a high budget TV series, but it is a TV series – but S.H.I.E.L.D. quickly hits the right notes to firmly show how it exists on the ground level of the Marvel universe, as the characters try to process the iron men, super soldiers, green monsters and thunder gods now among them.

 

Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. premieres Tuesday, September 24th on ABC.

 

The Verdict

 

Joss Whedon and Marvel were obviously a perfect match in The Avengers and that inspired collaboration continues here in a highly entertaining way that should keep fans coming back for more.

 

Looking forward to seeing this.

 

EDIT:

 

Walt Disney Pictures has announced release dates for two untitled Marvel properties, seemingly readying big announcements for Marvel Studios' panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2013 next month. Nabbing the early summer slots of May 6, 2016 and May 5, 2017, these two unknown titles are likely part of Marvel's Phase 3 slate, which kicks off with Edgar Wright's Ant-Man movie in 2015.

 

Credit: comicbookmovie.com

 

Sure Doctor Strange is one, guessing Black Panther is the other. The other guess is a third Captain America or Thor film.

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Fox also put out 4 shitty Marvel movies in Elektra, Daredevil, and the two Fantastic Four films. I have more faith in Marvel Studios than Fox or Sony. Hell, Sony was specifically the CAUSE of the suckiness of Spidey 3 due to demanding Venom.

 

Daredevil was not a shitty film.  It just happened to come out at a time when it was cool to shit all over Ben Affleck, so people shit all over the film.  Sure, there are some things wrong with it, but it is pretty faithful to the Miller/Jansen eraly 80s Elektra storyline. 

 

Fanboys got worked up about the Kingpin being Black too, which was ridiculous, because Mike Duncan was great in the role. 

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Daredevil was not a shitty film.  It just happened to come out at a time when it was cool to shit all over Ben Affleck, so people shit all over the film.  Sure, there are some things wrong with it, but it is pretty faithful to the Miller/Jansen eraly 80s Elektra storyline. 

 

Fanboys got worked up about the Kingpin being Black too, which was ridiculous, because Mike Duncan was great in the role. 

 

The directors cut is really good and while not perfect, it definitely is better then most people give it credit for. Him straight up murdering that one guy was pretty bad though.

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See my complaint is that it isn't remotely close to Miller era DD, espeially as fa as Elektra goes. The whole point of Elektra was she was the one who got awayfrom Matt and when she finally comes back it is as Kingpin's enforcer. Elektra should not have been in the first movie at all. The first movie should have been the Daredevil v. Bullseye/Kingpin rivalry, with Bulseye ending up in jail. A second movie should be Elektra taking Bullseye's place as Kingpin's #1 hitman and Bullseye breaking out of jail and murdering her to get his place back with Daredevil caught in the middle. That is the Miller version of Daredevil!

 

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What I could never understand is that they kept saying the sequel was going to be based on Born Again.

 

Except, the first chunk of Born Again is Matt not knowing that the Kingpin found out who he is, and was the one wrecking his life.  But in the movie, he took his fucking mask off in front of him.

 

Otherwise, I liked, but didn't love, the movie.  It was a weird mish-mash of the Elektra saga and David Mack's original Echo story.

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I understand it's a story from the comics, but that is a terrible title. For people who don't keep up with contemporary comics, those are just...three random words somebody slapped together.

I guess they're playing the loooooooong game on Thanos.

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