PetrolCB Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Been marathoning my way through the recently added Hardcore TVs, and just about into '98, which is leading me to this: Why, of all people, was Justin Credible being pushed that much? I mean, shit HE beat Sasuke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Heyman must have seen something in him that nobody else did. Can't win 'em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Likely it was a request from Vince to try to push him as best as he can. I always thought he was fine. Most people actually thought he was an okay heel at the time. He just couldn't promo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Cause there was no one else that Paul E could push that wouldn't get grabbed by Vince or WCW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 A heel who got too cool was forever in danger of being embraced by the bloodthirsty ECW crowd. [?] As "smart" as the ECW crowd wanted to believe it was, you needed someone with at least some portion of "go away heat" [?] Justin was thus an ideal heel for the ECW crowd because his offense and promos would never appeal to their sense of cool. [?] That was at least partly what I thought at the time. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The Impact Players were pretty cool, if I recall correctly. But that might have been mostly Lance and Dawn Marie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 That reminds me. Did the Impact Players vs Jado/Gedo match ever get released in full? Or are we stuck with the TNN version that was clipped all to hell forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Looking at what Pioneer released in the early 00's and what few unaired (or unedited) matches WWE has released on DVD, the answer seems to be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Justin Credible was great. The Impact Players were great. The world title push was a little premature, but Paul E played the cards he had dealt to him. It worked out pretty well for a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yeah, people crap on Credible's title reign, but they had no choice but to put the belt on him, really. The roster was depleted. Dreamer didn't want the belt, and his character wouldn't work as champion. Rhino had just arrived and needed to be built up. Corino had no credibility yet. Storm was on the way out. Lynn deserved a run, but he didn't have the personality to be a long term choice. RVD should have had a run, but Heyman was trying to work up to having him chase the title first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 From what I remember that Jado/Gedo Vs. Storm/Credible match was terrible and had to be heavily edited. As was the style at the time in ECW. Obviously I've never seen the whole match so I don't know. But that's what I always heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm not saying he was terrible, he had his moments. But, it was a bit out of nowhere, which, isn't a bad thing in wrestling. Just a bit odd to me, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 From what I remember that Jado/Gedo Vs. Storm/Credible match was terrible and had to be heavily edited. As was the style at the time in ECW. Obviously I've never seen the whole match so I don't know. But that's what I always heard. I can believe that. I always wondered how long it actually went, because the 7 minutes or so finish they showed was really hot. However, Jado and Gedo have always been somewhat inconsistent, so I can buy it being shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Actually Tommy Dreamer as World Champion could work if he had turned full heel and built a sort of Horsemen group around himself to protect hm as Champ. You basically turned the character into the what he hated most i.e. Raven. But after Tommy turns, who carries the torch as the babyface stanard bearer for ECW? That's where my booking for ECW at that time period would ht a snag... James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well, it would probably also hit a snag when Dreamer refused the belt (he never wanted to be champion. The win-the-belt-lose-it-same-night was apparently the only thing Heyman could get him to agree to). I'd probably have hated a Tommy Dreamer heel run. Personal preference aside, it'd be hard to get the ECW crowds to boo Dreamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well, it would probably also hit a snag when Dreamer refused the belt (he never wanted to be champion. The win-the-belt-lose-it-same-night was apparently the only thing Heyman could get him to agree to). I'd probably have hated a Tommy Dreamer heel run. Personal preference aside, it'd be hard to get the ECW crowds to boo Dreamer. Would using it as a catalyst for the RVD chase had helped things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Actually Tommy Dreamer as World Champion could work if he had turned full heel and built a sort of Horsemen group around himself to protect hm as Champ. You basically turned the character into the what he hated most i.e. Raven. But after Tommy turns, who carries the torch as the babyface stanard bearer for ECW? That's where my booking for ECW at that time period would ht a snag... James The answer, of course, is Justin Credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Chilly Willy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Heyman never would have turned Dreamer. WWE.com ran an article a while back that talked about what might have happened if ECW had stuck around longer, and Dreamer says he thinks he would have eventually turned. But Heyman completely shoots the idea down, saying the Tommy Dreamer character only works as a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I sometimes wish that Heyman could have found a big money buyer like Sinclair or Panda Energy that would just give him lots of money to the company. I'd like to see where ECW would have gone after 01, especially as guys like Daniels, Styles, Danielson and the other early 00s indy guys hit the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Heyman basically said that ECW probably would have turned into ROH because Feinstein and Sapolsky were already aware of many major talents on the indies that they wanted to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVanderlay Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Over the years I've read several articles where they talked about the Steiners vs. Tatsumi Fujinami/Takayuki Iizuka match from Wrestle War 92 and they say that Iizuka was "never the same" after the match. What are people talking about in regards to that match? Did Iizuka suffer a neck injury or brain damage from the top-rope belly to belly suplex that Rick gave him at the finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I always assumed they meant "He was a great young prospect but the Steiners took complete advantage, beat the piss out of him, broke his orbital bone and after that Iizuka never had the same confidence or drive to reach his potential" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I've always had mixed feelings about that match. It's a lot of fun to watch, but the Steiners were very unprofessional. Which of course would become a recurring theme later on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Didn't Bruce Mitchell write a huge article in the Torch bitching about that match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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