SirSmUgly Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If I wanted to see why Nikita Koloff is a good wrestler, what matches would you all recommend? I am decidedly not a fan of Koloff, especially after running through '85, '87, and '89 NWA shows. I don't get it at all. I won't hold the early '90s AWA stuff I saw from him because those shows are hard to watch in general. As a character in '85, Koloff is timely, but his gruff Soviet voice makes him a pain to listen to in promos and as a wrestler, I just lose interest in most of his matches. It also kinda hurts that while he throws a pretty awful looking clothesline as a finisher, Windham is throwing like the most beautiful flying lariat I've ever seen as a finish. Comparatively, I don't know why they'd let two guys have similar finishes where one just looks so much more convincing than the other. I know that people here have stated their respect for Koloff's work, so I'm sure I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I just recently watched him against Flair at StarrCade '86 and that's a pretty great match that seems to show Koloff at his absolute best, including a pretty decent amount of selling on his end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 In case anyone still cares, Layla worked the WWE house show last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I find myself less interest in long epics and instead preferring a well worked 20 min match. I've only just recently realized that fact. Maybe it's a case of not wanting to spend 40 to 60 minutes on one match when there's so much that I have yet to see - and only so many viewing hours in a day. Plus, in so many cases, the match did not really need to be 45 minutes long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 A lot of times, I would rather see two guys have a series of 8- to 12-minute matches rather than put on a 40-minute epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Brock on @Midnight would be the best. Just imagine how quickly he would target and rip the head off of Brian Posehn just because he was the largest other animal in that space: Hardwick: And Brock, what do you think of Keyboard cat...oh Soo...you answer is the slaughter and display of Brian Posehn's head as a totem to ward off all other challenges. Judges????? judges???? anyone?????? I had to put my phone down and run to the bathroom, because this Lesnar on TV discussion made me almost piss my pants from laughing so hard. Well done, gentlemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I see you accidentally quoted Piranesi instead of me but I'll take credit nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This segment from RAW with DX in blackface as The Nation is not funny -- it's actually pretty damned offensive. Also, it's goes on way too long. More important, it just feels like the wrong tone. I believe the best promo doesn't bury your opponent. But maybe that's just too old school of me. I wasn't watching during the Attitude Era, but looking back it seems so ridiculous all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This late 90s footage can get off my lawn! Though I will qualify a bit: I especially hate DX. There certainly was good stuff, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This segment from RAW with DX in blackface as The Nation is not funny -- it's actually pretty damned offensive. Also, it's goes on way too long. More important, it just feels like the wrong tone. I believe the best promo doesn't bury your opponent. But maybe that's just too old school of me. I wasn't watching during the Attitude Era, but looking back it seems so ridiculous all around. It's pretty offensive for the most part, but Road Dogg's D'Lo Brown impression is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 At that point it solidified the Nation as the good guys for me. It seemed like bullshit the Nation did not retaliate, since between Trips, Chyna and Rockabilly they were easier targets. Or even come down there in the middle of it and beat them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This segment from RAW with DX in blackface as The Nation is not funny -- it's actually pretty damned offensive. Also, it's goes on way too long. More important, it just feels like the wrong tone. I believe the best promo doesn't bury your opponent. But maybe that's just too old school of me. I wasn't watching during the Attitude Era, but looking back it seems so ridiculous all around. People have talked on Austin's show before how HHH would go off script simply to try and fuck Rock over. Having him bury him shouldn't surprise people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 They retaliated by trying to gang rape Chyna in the ring like a week or two later. Shawn made the save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I can certainly understand that. I don't hate Hunter – but I strongly dislike his work during this period. I just don't think he was funny, and he thinks he was. Plus I don't think he was "edgy"; I think he was just a bully. Nash and Hall were the same, with those endless self indulgent NWO segments. It looks like the network will be running the Monday night wars come this summer, which I imagine will be the same as the old 24/7 where they posted Raw and Nitro. I'll watch them in order at that time, so I'll have more context. We'll see if I change my mind. I'm always happy to be proven wrong when it comes to particular wrestlers or eras. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 another WWE Top 10 where the obvious/logical exclusion of the Benoit/Radicals debut really sticks out. Although they did include Kronus on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 They retaliated by trying to gang rape Chyna in the ring like a week or two later. Shawn made the save. I don't remember that at all. I remember sometime in 1999 them ending a RAW very randomly with Billy Gunn and X Pac attempting to rape Stephanie. But it was revealed the next week in passing that it was just an impersonator they hired to screw with Vince or soemthing. The Attitude era is very weird and disturbing in heinsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 They retaliated by trying to gang rape Chyna in the ring like a week or two later. Shawn made the save. I don't remember that at all. I remember sometime in 1999 them ending a RAW very randomly with Billy Gunn and X Pac attempting to rape Stephanie. But it was revealed the next week in passing that it was just an impersonator they hired to screw with Vince or soemthing. The Attitude era is very weird and disturbing in heinsight. May have even been later in the year. Was when Henry kept trying to ask out Chyna. Rock called her out, and then they showed on the Titantron there was a forklift blocking the DX lockerroom door, they implied that they were about to gang rape her, and then Shawn randomly ran out and chased them off with a chair. Very awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The Rock never got over on anyone on the mic ever. Just ask Billy Gunn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The best mic workers have always put over their opponent *and* themselves. Watching Jan 2014 RAW eps, and Heyman shows how it's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Yeah, that DX skit about the Nation has always seemed kind of vaguely racist and very un-funny. On the same roundtable episode, JR on Randy Orton being active on Twitter... "Thank god for spell check." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I dunno, I always thought HHH's question to "Mizark" was pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Thing I realized at 1:45am.. you could make an analogy between the McMahons and the Golds (Hardcore Pawn). Les Gold is Vince, Seth is Shane, Ashley is Stephanie. Not to mention that Les' grandfather/Jess McMahon were both the first of their family lines in pawn brokering/pro wrestling. Oh great, now I just imagined Vince/Stephanie/Shane trying to run a pawn shop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 *guy walks into store* *early 90s Royal Rumble promo music blares out of a nearby Casio boombox, Vince jumps out from behind a tuba* "A COLLECTION OF UNWAAAAAAAAAANTED WEDDING RINGS! A LA FEMME NIKITA BOXSETTTTTTT! MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS PAWNED OFF BY JUNKIESSSSS! ........AN OOOOOBOOOOE!" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 at the risk of distracting people from Pawn Shop Vince, realizing that Youdubber is like Tubedubber if it worked.. I recreated this dub that might actually fit. Pawn Shop Vince would insist on buying all the gold in the other pawn shops too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I dunno, I always thought HHH's question to "Mizark" was pretty funny. It was hateful, especially since Henry would never get to retaliate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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