EdA Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Um, but he DID die. And that's the what if factor. Which seems obvious. We don't know, and never will. It can take many directions, and none are wrong. Not sure what your point is. What? Len Bias died? But he came back after the third day, right? Shrug. This thread is all about What Ifs. My WHAT IF scenario is just as valid as Bias living and walking on water - or becoming a Dream Teamer in 92. My WHAT IF is that - hey, WHAT IF he didn't die, but instead sucks/is a cokehead who doesn't become a great/is a cripple? Does that wreck the Celtics quicker than him flat out dying before he plays? God, I don't even give a fuck about the NBA or Bias. Why am I even involved in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What happens to the Patriots dynasty if Mo Lewis doesn't nearly kill Drew Bledsoe? There are quite a few things that could have happened from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What happens to the Patriots dynasty if Mo Lewis doesn't nearly kill Drew Bledsoe? There are quite a few things that could have happened from there. Do not make me re-live that playoff run, Joe. Please. I am too old to get my blood pressure worked up when someone mentions Brady's fumble in the snow. Sigh. Oh what the fuck? I will beat everyone to it - yes, had the Raiders not stopped attempting to move the ball after halftime, they coast the the win and the fumble doesn't happen. Stupid Chucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What? Len Bias died? But he came back after the third day, right? Shrug. This thread is all about What Ifs. My WHAT IF scenario is just as valid as Bias living and walking on water - or becoming a Dream Teamer in 92. My WHAT IF is that - hey, WHAT IF he didn't die, but instead sucks/is a cokehead who doesn't become a great/is a cripple? Does that wreck the Celtics quicker than him flat out dying before he plays? God, I don't even give a fuck about the NBA or Bias. Why am I even involved in this? 1. I agree that any viewpoint is valid with this, and said that in my post. 2. No one was suggesting that Bias would have been the best of all time. But his college career indicates that the guy would have been very, very good. 3. I think most of us realize that Bias may have indeed become a major coke head, which in turn hurts Boston. It just sees that you're arguing to be argumentative, which I concede could just be me misinterpreting your post. Glad to know that no fucks were given, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What if Bill Buckner caught that damn ball? Would the Mets still gone on to win the World Series? Buckner and/or Schiraldi wouldn't get to the bag in time to catch Mookie at first. Man, people need to lay the fuck off Buckner. String up Schiraldi and Stanley for not being able to get anyone out, already. Mookie would have been out easily. Buckner only had to cover like 10 feet to get to the bag. The guy on the mound at the time was Stanley, btw. A better question is: what if Houston had somehow pulled out game 6 in 1986? Do the Mets even get a whiff of a victory in game 7 against Mike Scott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What if Butler's bank shot goes in against Duke? That one shot prevented the biggest upset in tourney final history. As opposed to next year, when a 6 year old with polio could shoot better than Butler against UConn! That game was so awful. If Butler had been even just terrible, they win that game. UConn shot only .345 - and was STILL nearly twice as good as Butler. How the heck do you shoot .188 from the floor? 28% with the same FGs and the game is tied. 28%. UConn had nice defense that year but c'mon. The year before was a miracle game by Butler - one that they were about 6" off from winning - but the UConn game was a borderline chokejob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 To say Mookie would have been out "easily" is insane http://youtu.be/6IFL1ByLW3U Start at 17:15 (By that whole episode is great for the various times - like 20 years later, the members of the Sox were throwing each under the bus (Clemens/McNamara and Stanley in regards to Gedman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What if Bill Buckner caught that damn ball? Would the Mets still gone on to win the World Series? Buckner and/or Schiraldi wouldn't get to the bag in time to catch Mookie at first. Man, people need to lay the fuck off Buckner. String up Schiraldi and Stanley for not being able to get anyone out, already. Mookie would have been out easily. Buckner only had to cover like 10 feet to get to the bag. The guy on the mound at the time was Stanley, btw. A better question is: what if Houston had somehow pulled out game 6 in 1986? Do the Mets even get a whiff of a victory in game 7 against Mike Scott? Yeah, touche on Stanley being on the mound not Schiraldi. But I am not buying Stanley or Buckner beating Mookie to the bag. And, even if they do, the game goes to extras and the Mets win then thanks to the Sox having nothing left in the pen. And the Mets don't beat Scott in Game 7, I don't believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 What? Len Bias died? But he came back after the third day, right? Shrug. This thread is all about What Ifs. My WHAT IF scenario is just as valid as Bias living and walking on water - or becoming a Dream Teamer in 92. My WHAT IF is that - hey, WHAT IF he didn't die, but instead sucks/is a cokehead who doesn't become a great/is a cripple? Does that wreck the Celtics quicker than him flat out dying before he plays? God, I don't even give a fuck about the NBA or Bias. Why am I even involved in this? Honestly, the big point: Even if Bias was a cokehead who wasn't a star or was a cripple- the Celtics are STILL better off: -The 1986-87 Celtics were breaking down badly. Bird's back was starting to become an issue. Kevin McHale badly broke his foot- and Bird's injury meant McHale kept playing on the broken foot. It never healed correctly, and McHale's career was never the same afterwards. EVEN THEN, the Celtics close enough to winning the 1987 title. There is no doubt due to those facts that, if Len Bias suited up- whether he was great, bad, or sucked, Boston wins the title. In addition, having Bias- even a Bias that sucks/is coked out and doesn't make it- would have meant the Celtics could have rested McHale up and let his foot heal, allowing him to play longer, at a higher level- so already, McHale's career is better (and Bird could go into the second banana role, allowing McHale to be the star of the team- keeping them as a relevant- not NBA title contender, but relevant- team into the mid-'90s at least. The ABSOLUTE worst case scenario for the Celtics with Bias on the team as a non-superstar would be after 1987. Worst case scenario, Bias and Reggie Lewis start hanging out together (and Bias and Lewis were friends prior to Bias's death, so it's very likely that occurs). Combine a Bias with a coke problem and Lewis's heart problem that ended up killing him, and that would have merely turned the Celtics about as equal as they ended up in real life. So,..even if Bias isn't the next Jordan he was in deification- the Celtics end up better if he had lived than if he hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Here's a few NFL what if's... 1) What if Big Ben didn't tackle Nick Harper when Jerome Bettis fucked up? Do the Colts advance to the Super Bowl? And do the Seahawks still get rat fucked by the officials? 2) What if Ray Perkins stayed on as the head coach of the Giants? Would the G-Men have gone to the Super Bowl? And while we're at it, what if he stayed on in Alabama? Do the Tide go to a BCS game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 What if Tiger Woods doesn't have a thing for hookers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Here's a few NFL what if's... 1) What if Big Ben didn't tackle Nick Harper when Jerome Bettis fucked up? Do the Colts advance to the Super Bowl? YES! YES! YES! I'll go cry in a moment. What if Tiger Woods doesn't have a thing for hookers? The guy was kicking everyone's ass while getting serviced by 12-15 women at any given time. I dare say Tiger needs to go back to his man-whore ways. The only mistake he really made was getting married while getting down for the upstroke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 I dread to even think about this, but.... What if the Eagles listened to Ed Rendell and the fans and drafted Ricky Williams instead of the guy who would become statistically the best quarterback in franchise history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 The 1995 Kansas City Chiefs. The ULTIMATE what if!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 A couple more for the NBA - What if LeBron's decision was to stay with the Cavs or sign with the Knicks? What if Jordan didnt leave to try baseball? What if Kobe and Shaq actually got along? A) No Ivring or Bennet on the Cavs cause just with Lebron there a playoff team. B) Either Bulls win 8 OR he misses a season or two because of a gambling scandal. C) Phil Jackson wins a noble peace prize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 What if we got a full season in 1999, and no lock out (or last season for that matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 What if the Cowboys would've drafted Chris Johnson instead of Felix Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 What if the Cowboys would've drafted Chris Johnson instead of Felix Jones? The Cowboys would've won three division titles by now, possibly a deep playoff run or two, and us Eagles fans would be even more fucking miserable that we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 What if the Cowboys would've drafted Chris Johnson instead of Felix Jones? The Cowboys would've won three division titles by now, possibly a deep playoff run or two, and us Eagles fans would be even more fucking miserable that we are now. Oh, almost forgot....the dumb ass Cowboys also passed on LeSean McCoy (who was easily the highest rated remaining player on their board) because they already had Felix the Fragile and Marion Barbarian. So it just goes to show bad drafting also has a horrible trickle down effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 What if Trent Green didn't get knocked out for the 1999 season? Do we get anything even touching the Greatest Show On Turf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 What if Trent Green didn't get knocked out for the 1999 season? Do we get anything even touching the Greatest Show On Turf? Id say yes cause you can look at Trents years in KC with Dick that shows it could have still happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 What if Trent Green didn't get knocked out for the 1999 season? Do we get anything even touching the Greatest Show On Turf? Id say yes cause you can look at Trents years in KC with Dick that shows it could have still happened AND the defense was untouchable that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 A couple more for the NBA - What if LeBron's decision was to stay with the Cavs or sign with the Knicks? What if Jordan didnt leave to try baseball? What if Kobe and Shaq actually got along? A) No Ivring or Bennet on the Cavs cause just with Lebron there a playoff team. B) Either Bulls win 8 OR he misses a season or two because of a gambling scandal. C) Phil Jackson wins a noble peace prize The so called gambling scandal is the biggest non story of all time. Seeing the debts all these ballers have to casinos there seems to be lots of gambling scandals across the NBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 A couple more for the NBA - What if LeBron's decision was to stay with the Cavs or sign with the Knicks? What if Jordan didnt leave to try baseball? What if Kobe and Shaq actually got along? A) No Ivring or Bennet on the Cavs cause just with Lebron there a playoff team. B) Either Bulls win 8 OR he misses a season or two because of a gambling scandal. C) Phil Jackson wins a noble peace prize The so called gambling scandal is the biggest non story of all time. Seeing the debts all these ballers have to casinos there seems to be lots of gambling scandals across the NBA Well I'm not disagreeing but simply answering the What If with the common myth that MJ's baseball stint was a cover from him being suspended for two years because of his gambling. So theoretically if he doesn't go to baseball and Stren intended to use MJ as a possible scape goat/poster boy then he misses a season or two like he did. The other thing is if it is made public that MJ was suspended for gambling does it keep alive the urban leganded that his fathers death was related to gambling also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Stern wasn't going to suspend Michael Jordan for gambling its fairly common knowledge Stern begged him to reconsider and not leave the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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