Tabe Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away I'm about half way through the book, and while the story is interesting, the author's insistence on including his personal narrative bugs the hell out of me. I guess I've been spoiled by sports books by actual historians, but his overly familiar tone brings the book down big time. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away. Then why would he let him back then if Stern was so insistant that Jordan go away. Not like anything changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away. Then why would he let him back then if Stern was so insistant that Jordan go away. Not like anything changed. The fact that an NBA finals game was pre-emptied for a slow speed police chase on an LA free way. What was the league rating for the two years MJ was gone vrs the two years before and after? One what if that pops up from the Big East 30 for 30 what if the first vote was 6-2 to have Penn St join instead of Pitt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away. Then why would he let him back then if Stern was so insistant that Jordan go away. Not like anything changed. The fact that an NBA finals game was pre-emptied for a slow speed police chase on an LA free way. What was the league rating for the two years MJ was gone vrs the two years before and after? One what if that pops up from the Big East 30 for 30 what if the first vote was 6-2 to have Penn St join instead of Pitt? If Stern told Jordan to go away, then that makes more sense not for the time that MJ was gone and more in the way of Stern saying "We're suspending you for the 1993-94 season, but we'll let you 'retire' to save face because you're our marquee superstar.", which explains why Stern would let MJ come back (the second year mostly being Jordan going to baseball, getting in shape for that, and the season's length/potential of Jordan making the White Sox as a replacement player in 1995 holding Jordan back from a return at the beginning of the 1994-95 season. As far as "what if Penn St. joined instead of Pitt?"- I think that's a non-starter for a What If. Penn State's always going to be a football school first and foremost, with the Big East always being a basketball conference first and foremost. If Penn St. joined the Big East in 1981, then Penn State probably would have defected to the Big Ten anyway in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Owing money to a casino is legal. Owing six figures because of golf bets to multiple felons? Not so much. And make no mistake about it - Jordan was told by Stern to go away. Jack McCallum in his book on the Dream Team says he was told by a LOT of insiders that Stern told Jordan to go away I'm about half way through the book, and while the story is interesting, the author's insistence on including his personal narrative bugs the hell out of me. I guess I've been spoiled by sports books by actual historians, but his overly familiar tone brings the book down big time. . .Didn't bug me too much. What did? He made Charles Barkley's quote about Angola a big deal, repeating it over and over. That's all fine. Problem is, he misquoted Barkley. He says Barkley said "nuthin'" but he actually said "anything". Changes the vibe of the quote. Look it up on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Some classic what-ifs: 1) What if Mickey Mantle doesn't step on a sprinkler? 5) What if Ed Delahanty hadn't gotten off that train? Wait, what? Educate me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Some classic what-ifs: 1) What if Mickey Mantle doesn't step on a sprinkler? 5) What if Ed Delahanty hadn't gotten off that train? Wait, what? Educate me! 1) 1951 WS. Mantle was in RF, DiMaggio in CF. There was a flyball hit in the gap. DiMaggio calls off Mantle (there are CONSPIRACY~~!!! theories on DiMaggio doing this to show up Mantle, of course), Mantle veers off from chasing the ball, steps on a sprinkler in the Yankee Stadium OF and wrecks his knee. This adds to Mantle's leg injuries that hobbled him throughout his career: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mantle#Rookie_season:_1951 5) Ed Delahanty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 Some classic what-ifs: 1) What if Mickey Mantle doesn't step on a sprinkler? 5) What if Ed Delahanty hadn't gotten off that train? Wait, what? Educate me! 1) 1951 WS. Mantle was in RF, DiMaggio in CF. There was a flyball hit in the gap. DiMaggio calls off Mantle (there are CONSPIRACY~~!!! theories on DiMaggio doing this to show up Mantle, of course), Mantle veers off from chasing the ball, steps on a sprinkler in the Yankee Stadium OF and wrecks his knee. This adds to Mantle's leg injuries that hobbled him throughout his career: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mantle#Rookie_season:_1951 5) Ed Delahanty Wow, both of those are horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What if the goddamn limo driver wasn't high back in 1997 and hadn't nearly killed Vladdy? How many more Cups do the Red Wings win with Konstantinov - who was arguably better than all-world Lidstrom at the time - in the lineup for the next decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Some classic what-ifs: 1) What if Mickey Mantle doesn't step on a sprinkler? 5) What if Ed Delahanty hadn't gotten off that train? Wait, what? Educate me! 1) 1951 WS. Mantle was in RF, DiMaggio in CF. There was a flyball hit in the gap. DiMaggio calls off Mantle (there are CONSPIRACY~~!!! theories on DiMaggio doing this to show up Mantle, of course), Mantle veers off from chasing the ball, steps on a sprinkler in the Yankee Stadium OF and wrecks his knee. This adds to Mantle's leg injuries that hobbled him throughout his career: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mantle#Rookie_season:_1951 5) Ed Delahanty The thing with Dimaggio was he could never look like he tried hard, because then his mystique would be shattered, or some bullshit. If he couldn't make a play look easy he wouldn't go for it. He didn't call mantle off until the very last second. Joe Dimaggio is perhaps the most underrated sports prick of all time, a more selfish, money grubber has never lived. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 From the "Franchise Reviving moments" threads for some that weren't in: -What if the New Orleans Jazz didn't go after Gail Goodrich in 1976? (With how the rule worked at the beginning of NBA free agency, teams had to agree on compensation when a player signed. The compensation for Goodrich was a couple of Jazz first-rounders. One of the picks was the one the Lakers used on Magic Johnson- but, a 1975 draft for the draft rights to ABA players who weren't eligible for the NBA Draft yet had Moses Malone's rights go to New Orleans in exchange for a first rounder. The Jazz then proceeded to renounce their rights to Malone so they could trade that first to the Lakers in the Goodrich trade.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 From the "Franchise Reviving moments" threads for some that weren't in: -What if the New Orleans Jazz didn't go after Gail Goodrich in 1976? (With how the rule worked at the beginning of NBA free agency, teams had to agree on compensation when a player signed. The compensation for Goodrich was a couple of Jazz first-rounders. One of the picks was the one the Lakers used on Magic Johnson- but, a 1975 draft for the draft rights to ABA players who weren't eligible for the NBA Draft yet had Moses Malone's rights go to New Orleans in exchange for a first rounder. The Jazz then proceeded to renounce their rights to Malone so they could trade that first to the Lakers in the Goodrich trade.) Add in Maravich not blowing out his knee and the Jazz never come to Utah. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 What if Vince Coleman had avoided the tarp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 What if, in the 1979 NFL Draft, the 49ers selected Jack Thompson, Phil Simms or Steve Fuller, rather than that one guy from Notre Dame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 What if Vince Coleman had avoided the tarp? Maybe, just MAYBE, the Cards would've beaten the Royals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 What if, in the 1979 NFL Draft, the 49ers selected Jack Thompson, Phil Simms or Steve Fuller, rather than that one guy from Notre Dame?If they take Simms, I'm not sure they win that many fewer games than with that guy from ND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Looking at the 1979 draft and what happened with Tomlin from this last season, this amused me. Pittsburgh Steelers selection forfeited when the team was found to have practiced with pads during an off-season period when pads were not allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Casey Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 There are 2 that I've always wondered, with regard to Bo Jackson: 1) What if the Tampa Bay Bucs hadn't jammed Bo up on his senior year of baseball at Auburn? 2) What if Bo hadn't gotten injured in 1991? I know this one was asked already, but only with regard to his football career going forward. I'm curious as to what would've happened with his baseball career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 There are 2 that I've always wondered, with regard to Bo Jackson: 2) What if Bo hadn't gotten injured in 1991? I know this one was asked already, but only with regard to his football career going forward. I'm curious as to what would've happened with his baseball career. Gonna go with the last one. You figure somewhere along the line either the Royals or Raiders were going to wave a ton of money in his face to play only one sport - probably within a year or two after he had gotten injured. My guess is he would have gone baseball if only because he was passable enough at it to make mad scratch and the chance of a longer career. In his last year with the Royals, pre-injury (1990), he was 27 and put up a .272/.342/.523 slashline with 28 HR's. Given his lack of patience, he was never going to be Bonds - or even Griffey. BRef's comps for him by ages are Greg Vaughn, Phil Plantier and Carlos Quentin - which, needless to say, is not pretty. So if we are looking at a relatively injury-free career (which is a stretch given that Bo had never played more than 135 games in any season prior to the injury), he probably plays with the Royals through 94 then gets sold off when KC starts their fire-sales of the mid-90s. My guess he does time with Atlanta somewhere in the 90's (somewhat of a hometown team), then skips around for a bit when he can no longer handle CF and then becomes a DH/corner OFer for a variety of teams - no chance someone like Texas and Baltimore does not give him a fat contract in the late 90's. Given that he had 109 HR's by the end of this age-27 season, and you estimate he plays until he is...let's go 41...and in the silly-ball era, he's MAYBE a 500 HR guy - depending on health, where he plays and his role - but more than likely he tops out in the mid-400's. Given that he was never a great fielder and never put up exceptional numbers with the patience and speed...yeah...he could have been in the HOF debate, but no gimme. If he wins a ring and does a few more highlight video things in his run, that might confuse voters enough (along with the football thing) to put him in. More than likely you are looking at a Jose Canseco-esque career with less goofiness and steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Maybe the Royals would've made the postseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 More than likely you are looking at a Jose Canseco-esque career with less goofiness and steroids. Well, less goofiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincey Greene Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yeah, it's better to pretend that Bo was supplement free and since we have no proof otherwise, I'm gonna do that. Irrational though it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What if Carl Lewis tests positive the same time as Ben Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 They ignore it and make them mandatory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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