SorceressKnight Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 hours ago, AxB said: What if Diesel and Razor remained in the WWF, and instead the original Outsiders were Bret and Taker? Darkest Timeline. The Undertaker may be the best gimmick-oriented guy ever, and it's hard to imagine him outside the gimmick being anything regarding a success. Throw in that the Bone Street Krew were nowhere near the names that the Kliq were in 1995 WWF, and even with Bret added, it's hard to imagine the NWO having the same effect with them. Meanwhile, the Kliq's antics keep destroying WWF...only without WCW getting on fire to counteract it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 So in that reality, in 2019 Vince & Bischoff co-host a podcast in which they complain about the booking of ECW on Paramount? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Hart & Callaway sounds more like a law firm than promotion-invading shit disturbers. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 What if Undertaker goes to WCW with Bret not in 96 but in late 97, walking out on WWF in solidarity with Bret/resigning in protest over the Montreal Screwjob (as he reportedly considered doing?) More in the sense of what it does to the WWF locker room/when is WWF most hurt by losing Undertaker than anything else since I think the lack of impact on WCW creatively/financially by both Bret and UT-without-the-UT-gimmick is the same no matter when they show up. 7 hours ago, AxB said: So in that reality, in 2019 Vince & Bischoff co-host a podcast in which they complain about the booking of ECW on Paramount? I dunno, even the NFL is limping a little due to the CTE/concussion crisis. I think it sinks ECW, either directly or indirectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 That would have been hilarious - you just debut his long lost brother with a huge amount of hype and build up.....and then he's left with nothing else to do. I figure he shows up to help Bret in the pointless midcard NWO feuds he was having at the time, beats up Hennig and Bryan Adams for a bit......hey - that reminds me, we never got a Mr. Perfect vs. Undertaker match, and that .....would have been awful. They probably burn through PPV matches against Sting, Savage and Hogan in about 5 months with at least 2 turns in between, before yeah, giving him his own Bone Street Krew stable featuring the former Yokozuna, The Godfather, Savio Vega, some Samoans and whoever else had ongoing WWF employment by being tight with Taker, who feud with the Wolfpac or something. I'd be down for a Konnan vs Mean Mark Callaway rap battle in 1999. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 What would have been super fucking surreal? Vince goes bust (Steroid trial, post Montreal, Mania 1 isn't a success), whenever. It's immaterial. But WCW continues its timeline as it were, and Bischoff gets canned in late 99, and replaced by Vince in a similar role to what Bill Watts had in 1992. That would have been fun watching him try to make WCW less Southern and constantly dealing with Turner S&P. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Roland...that’s amazing. Never thought of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I would have been interested to see what Vince would have been capable of, had he taken an extended sabbatical away from the industry, rather than doing it week in, week out for 40 years. I would also have been interested to see how failed wrestling promoter Vince McMahon making vlogs in his basement in Stamford would have gone. Or even failed wrestling promoter Vince who continues to get opportunities from guys who were loyal to him in minor roles only to fail at them due to the ideas being awful, his coke habit or unable to adapt to no longer being in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The big problem with Vince McMahon in this scenario is that when it boils down to it, Vince McMahon is a mediocre booker who happens to be one of the greatest businessmen of the 20th and 21st century. All of the reasons WWE has managed to grow to what it has become today, when you think about it, have less to do with amazing storylines and more to do with how great the company is at marketing pro wrestling, at merchandising pro wrestling, at knowing what the next wave is going to be before anyone else knows, and everything to make a successful business. With all of those things, what the people do in the 'rasslin ring doesn't compare. This ties to Vince in these situations because: Vince under WCW control in 1999 would have also been mediocre (because Vince would be in a situation where his business acumen meant nothing and all you had was his creative skill). And for other options...well, Vince McMahon would probably come back with something bigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Vince McMahon who's been booking non-stop for 40 years is very mediocre. Vince that steps away from the business for 4-5 years, becomes a recluse, and then comes back refreshed might have been a whole different deal. Also would have been interesting to see him try to bring his guys in to the back of house - Kevin Dunn, Pat Patterson, Bruce Pritchard etc, and the ensuing pushback from the various cliques backstage in WCW at the time. Would Hogan have pushed for him to return or see it as an opportunity to put some other placeholder dingus in charge till Bischoff returns. Flair surely advocates for him, Nash/Hall too. Savage not so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 2:53 PM, BobbyWhioux said: Pillman was smart enough to avoid being killed off by Hogan in the doomsday cage thingy. I think he would have been smart enough to recognize a world title run against 96 HBK was a similar kiss of death. The “how to cut a promo” thread would be filled with Pillman on HBK content, though EDITING TO ADD: also, while I can't be certain Pillman was prescient enough to know Austin (rather than HBK) was where the money would be and position himself accordingly, he was already involved in Austin's orbit as he was and would've been cagey enough to make sure he didn't leave it once Austin started to become Austin [and Austin did not seem to be averse to doing business with him]. Pillman would've made a dischordant "Corporate Champ" to be sure but they did hype him up when he came in as having a contract that was special so the avenue was there. Corporate Champion Brian Pillman would have been so damn amazing. Just imagine the smart marks promo, but him dialing it up even more about how he's made it to the top and now he doesn't have to wreck his body for these ungrateful pieces of crap. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 6:36 AM, Brian Fowler said: I know Taker has said if UFC had been a thing when he was young, he probably would've tried it, and there's certainly ample evidence that he's tough, but man, getting under 265 seems like it would be real difficult for him, and, to the best of my limited knowledge, there's not much history of 6'9"(ish) dudes being effective in MMA. ( @Elsalvajeloco?) That's before taking into account he'd have already been in his mid-30's, and with a litany of injuries (his Biker Taker return was, iirc, coming off a torn groin.) Point is, I don't think even lower level MMA stuff would've been a good idea for him at that time frame, unless he got matched up with guys who legit had no business fighting. Taker would have been in before weight classes came into being. If by some freak accident he ended up a major star- there would have been a super heavyweight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 hours ago, RolandTHTG said: Vince McMahon who's been booking non-stop for 40 years is very mediocre. Vince that steps away from the business for 4-5 years, becomes a recluse, and then comes back refreshed might have been a whole different deal. Again, that still becomes the main point though. Since WWF went national, how many truly iconic storylines has WWF/E made? Like, WWE has had many iconic stars, many iconic matches with those stars...but the only storyline you could argue was iconic in and of itself was Austin vs. McMahon (and even that happened after Eric Bischoff joined the NWO and made "evil boss out to destroy his employees" a very good idea in pro wrestling.) (Getting ahead of it before the obvious joke: Yes, the IIconics exist, but they have not become iconic as a storyline or as stars yet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The Megapowers story is iconic. Andre's heel turn is iconic. Flair/Savage/Elizabeth is iconic. Savage and Liz reuniting is iconic. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: Again, that still becomes the main point though. Since WWF went national, how many truly iconic storylines has WWF/E made? Like, WWE has had many iconic stars, many iconic matches with those stars...but the only storyline you could argue was iconic in and of itself was Austin vs. McMahon (and even that happened after Eric Bischoff joined the NWO and made "evil boss out to destroy his employees" a very good idea in pro wrestling.) (Getting ahead of it before the obvious joke: Yes, the IIconics exist, but they have not become iconic as a storyline or as stars yet.) You can just as easily credit a number of guys for the good ones as you can the bad, there's no real way of knowing who added what to it - George Scott, Patterson, Pritchard etc. But again - he's been doing this for 40 years straight. No-one else comes close. Bischoff was burnt out by barely 3 years. Find a great filmmaker - Scorcese, Tarantino, Spielberg, whoever and get them to write a minimum 6 hours of content every week for 40 years and see how you go, let alone run a global company on top of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I mean, it depends on how you define "iconic," I guess. The Austin-Rock Mania series. Bryan's road to Mania XXX. Rock-Hogan. Punk dropping the pipebomb and walking out. The 1997 Hart Foundation run. Brock ending the streak and destroying Cena. The original DX run. Kid beating Razor. Kane's debut. The first year and a half of the Shield. Shawn at the Barber Shop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Hogan not answering Orndorf's calls. Piper's feud with Cyndi and Hulk and Mr. T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 That time Tugboat became Typhoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: That time Tugboat became Typhoon I want to go back in time and live in a world where Sheik Tugboat was a reality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I want it to be the thing that sends Vince bankrupt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 What if Naomi didn't turn the wrong direction in Detroit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 What if, around 98 or 99 when the highlight of the Wrestling week was The Rock's promo, a couple of rookies decided to piggyback off that success by taking the ring names Rudy Pugh and Ken Diaz? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, AxB said: What if, around 98 or 99 when the highlight of the Wrestling week was The Rock's promo, a couple of rookies decided to piggyback off that success by taking the ring names Rudy Pugh and Ken Diaz? They’d be feuding for years and across the indie wrestling world with the team of Mark Smart and “The Shooter” Fabian Kaye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon-E Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 What if Finlay had made his 2006 return as a member of the RAW brand instead of Smackdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 If the whole "Plan B" thing had gone public back in 1979, would Bob Orton have had his spot in the early expansion era of the WWF, and would Randy Orton have become the major star he became in the 00s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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