Ultimo Necro Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 If Rock stays in the NFL then Ballers moves from fiction to non-fiction. What that means for wrestling I’ve no idea, maybe Russell Brand’s character would have bought Wrestling Society X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 WCW never reaches it’s peak without going head to head with the WWF. Eric Bischoff being a power hungry little shit doesn’t happen if never gets the WWF in his sights while somebody else finances the whole thing. You could also argue that WCW doesn’t die without that happening also but that’s another can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 What If in the early 90s, DDP and Mean Mark had been good friends? So years later during the Invasion angle, when DDP gave the Undertaker his match script, Taker read it, liked it and they actually had an exciting back and forth match? As opposed to the zero selling squash match that pissed off Taker actually called in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, AxB said: What If in the early 90s, DDP and Mean Mark had been good friends? So years later during the Invasion angle, when DDP gave the Undertaker his match script, Taker read it, liked it and they actually had an exciting back and forth match? As opposed to the zero selling squash match that pissed off Taker actually called in the ring. They didn’t overlap. Page could have helped out Hunter more and been a lifer like Regal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 To add to that what if, Godfather had stated on Photoshoot he was in talks to join the nWo his direct quote was: Quote "My [WWE] contract was coming up, and I was in negotiations with WCW coming into the nWo as their bodyguard. And we had arranged a verbal contract. The price was over a three-year deal. And then, I didn't hear from them, and I called the people that I needed to talk to and they weren't returning my calls. And then I'm watching the show one day, and I see Virgil come out as the bodyguard of the nWo. "I would assume that somebody in the nWo said, 'hey, we could probably get Virgil [for] a lot cheaper, and he's known as a bodyguard.' So, Virgil went there a lot cheaper than what I was gonna go there for. So, I don't really have good feeling over that at all." That’s an interesting thought, if Godfather had been in the nWo, would Taker have gone back to WCW and would the biker gimmick come into fruition two years before it did. Another interesting thought Is had Ole not told Taler he would never draw is dime which fueled the fire for Taker in the WWF, he was dead set on probing Ole wrong and probably helped the bound between Vince and Taker as Vince was the one to take the chance on him, would Taker have had the chip on his shoulder and felt like he couldn’t put a WCW guy over in regards to Page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 What happens if Curt Henning's back doesn't give him problems in the early 90's and then again in the mid 90's? Whats his position in The New Generation ear and then The Attitude Era? does he still jump to WCW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Bischoff was a Minnesota guy. Hennig would still have made the jump because Bischoff would open the wallet for Larry The Axe's kid. I don't think much changes. Instead of having to go away after dropping the IC Title to Bret he probably slides back down the card and puts over a few new faces. Then gets repackaged in a tag team. Pretty much the M.O. of the day just like Dibiase & Honky Tonk. Looking at the roster in 1991 Shane Douglas was there and probably a good fit in a team with Hennig. Maybe gets a tag title reign, probably not. Probably jumps to WCW in the first wave of guys with Bossman, Earthquake, & Hogan and gets the Starrcade match against Hogan in 1994 instead of Beefcake. Jumps back for 1999 attitude hijinx like Earthquake, Bulldog, & Bossman. No Rap is Crap is about the only real tangible difference in this timeline. Probably doesn't make it past 2000 (like Bossman, Bulldog, & Earthquake). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 What if, when Chris Jericho put the first Jericho Cruise together, Vince did allow him to use NXT as the partner promotion, so he never contacted ROH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olythegreat89 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 7:52 AM, zendragon said: What happens if Curt Henning's back doesn't give him problems in the early 90's and then again in the mid 90's? Whats his position in The New Generation ear and then The Attitude Era? does he still jump to WCW? Great question! If Curt doesn't hurt his back he probably becomes WWF Champion in the early-mid 90s. He probably feuds with Bret, Bulldog and Piper throughout 91 into 92 over the IC title. He still teams up with Flair when he joins in 91. And maybe instead of Flair beating Savage in the fall of 92 for the title before quickly dropping it to Bret, maybe Savage drops the title to Perfect. Then the roles are reversed going into 93 with Perfect being the heel champ with Heenan by his side and Flair being the babyface but Perfect still beats Flair in the loser leaves town match on Raw in early 93. A healthy Perfect being champ in the mid 90s would've been great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintedbynumbers Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 7:52 AM, zendragon said: What happens if Curt Henning's back doesn't give him problems in the early 90's and then again in the mid 90's? Whats his position in The New Generation ear and then The Attitude Era? does he still jump to WCW? one thing I can say for certain is Rap would still be crap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, olythegreat89 said: Great question! If Curt doesn't hurt his back he probably becomes WWF Champion in the early-mid 90s. He probably feuds with Bret, Bulldog and Piper throughout 91 into 92 over the IC title. He still teams up with Flair when he joins in 91. And maybe instead of Flair beating Savage in the fall of 92 for the title before quickly dropping it to Bret, maybe Savage drops the title to Perfect. Then the roles are reversed going into 93 with Perfect being the heel champ with Heenan by his side and Flair being the babyface but Perfect still beats Flair in the loser leaves town match on Raw in early 93. A healthy Perfect being champ in the mid 90s would've been great. I'm a huge fan of Hennig and the Mr Perfect character. But the chances he becomes WWF Champion are slim and none. WWF is a babyface territory. They rarely do the heel champ with the face chase in that era. With the steroid trial they moved to lets juiced up body types, sure. But timeline-wise it's either Hennig or Yokozuna. And I just don't see Hennig getting the nod. Yoko had the freak show attraction feel, and the only kind of size they were allowed to have at the time. I would have loved Mr Perfect vs Bret Hart title matches. But pure wrestling on top was not what Vince's instincts liked to book. I think he gets a quick program with Bret. He probably gets the Rumble 93 match over Razor if he's still a heel. But he was destined to turn face and feud with Flair regardless of being in a manager role or a partner role. He's one of my favorites ever, but he just didn't have what Vince wanted out of a top star in the era. I mean even during the character's peak, he didn't even get a real tv match with Hogan. Smashed the title and his manager gets the match against Hogan? Shows a lack of faith in him on top. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Yeah, I think a lot of folks in threads like these, here and elsewhere, have a tough time looking at the 1980s/90s WWF in the context of the times and how things were done. Like I see stuff like, "why didn't Razor ever get a world title run?" or the aforementioned "Perfect could have been champion" or "Owen should have gotten a run." We're kind of missing: The world title wasn't a participation trophy that was handed around willy-nilly Some guys, as much as we see them as legends today, just were not seen as WWF title material @NoFistsJustFlipsmention that WWF was not a heel champion territory Edited October 21, 2021 by Technico Support 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olythegreat89 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I don't think it would be too farfetched for a healthy Perfect to become champion in 92/93 when they're shying away from big bodies during the steroid trial. If Perfect never injures his back in 91, he stays in that upper midcard and most likely the main event. He was a great worker and could work with pretty much anyone. Yes, the WWF was a babyface territory but you need the occasional heel champion (Slaughter) to give your babyface something to fight for. If you asked a "smart" fan at the beginning of 1991, who could you see as WWF champ in 1992, the IC champ Mr. Perfect or the tag champ Bret Hart? I'm pretty sure the answer would be Perfect not just on his ability but also taking to account the IC-World Title trajectory Warrior and Savage took before him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: I mean even during the character's peak, he didn't even get a real tv match with Hogan. Smashed the title and his manager gets the match against Hogan? Shows a lack of faith in him on top. Things were different then since it was still about selling tickets to house shows, the smashing the belt angle was to set up Hogan-Perfect on the road, Hogan's SNME matches were either ones that finished their house show run or were ones that weren't going to be on house shows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 The physique difference between "Axe Jr," AWA Curt Hennig and WWF's Mr. Perfect is quite pronounced, so I don't know if he would have been pushable during the trial. That HGH Neanderthal brow --- yow.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olythegreat89 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, thee Reverend Axl Future said: The physique difference between "Axe Jr," AWA Curt Hennig and WWF's Mr. Perfect is quite pronounced, so I don't know if he would have been pushable during the trial. That HGH Neanderthal brow --- yow.... Perfect's physique wasn't anything that stood out compared to other guys they had during that time like Bulldog, Warlord, Kerry, Warrior, etc. If you're in a court room showcasing the rampant use of steroids in the WWF during that time period, Mr. Perfect isn't exactly exhibit A or B to show to the jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, olythegreat89 said: Perfect's physique wasn't anything that stood out compared to other guys they had during that time like Bulldog, Warlord, Kerry, Warrior, etc. If you're in a court room showcasing the rampant use of steroids in the WWF during that time period, Mr. Perfect isn't exactly exhibit A or B to show to the jury. He would if you showed a picture of Curt from 6-7 years before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olythegreat89 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Infinit said: He would if you showed a picture of Curt from 6-7 years before. Bret looks much better in the early 90s than when he was in Stampede. Shawn in 96 looks better than he did 6-7 years earlier. It’s not that out of the question to build your physique over a period of time. Did Perfect use steroids? I’m 99% sure he did like almost everyone did back then. But when I look at the WWF roster from that time, he’s not someone that stands out as a beefed up muscle head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Would The Genesis of McGillicutty have gotten over, if he'd been allowed to get on the gas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Curt would probably just end up in WCW anyway once Bischoff was in charge and be in the NWO a year sooner. His ceiling there might be higher in that case, but either way I don’t think he gets any bigger in WWF than an upper midcarder they can plug into a program with the world champion once a year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 What if Giant Baba lived five years longer? He hypothetically passes in 2004, after Inoki alienates the NJPW locker room with his shooty bullshit and Mutoh & Co jump. ship Do they join up and bolster the ranks of a stacked AJPW roster? Do they form their own company (a super-powered ZERO-ONE?) because Baba keeps in place AJPW's isolationist policies? Does Misawa get fed up and bounce anyways? I want answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 5:12 AM, paintedbynumbers said: one thing I can say for certain is Rap would still be crap. You've made a lot of bad posts, so believe me when I say that this one being your worst post is truly saying something. A healthy Perfect who jumps to WCW probably fits into a role with the Four Horsemen and has a pretty long career in WCW as a tag worker/sometimes TV or US champ through the mid-90s. Once Arn is hurt and Pillman leaves, the Horsemen are a complete mess pretty much the rest of the way, and Hennig as a stabilizing force in that group would have been cool. By the time he made it there, they just wanted to have him turn heel and join the nWo, which was sort of a waste except the Horsemen were dead by that time anyway, even if its members didn't know it. I actually enjoy Mongo McMichael (only somewhat ironically), but that Mongo/Debra/Jarrett love triangle was awful. You stick Jarrett in a Horsemen with Flair, Benoit, and Hennig and that's actually pretty watchable! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintedbynumbers Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: You've made a lot of bad posts, so believe me when I say that this one being your worst post is truly saying something. A healthy Perfect who jumps to WCW probably fits into a role with the Four Horsemen and has a pretty long career in WCW as a tag worker/sometimes TV or US champ through the mid-90s. Once Arn is hurt and Pillman leaves, the Horsemen are a complete mess pretty much the rest of the way, and Hennig as a stabilizing force in that group would have been cool. By the time he made it there, they just wanted to have him turn heel and join the nWo, which was sort of a waste except the Horsemen were dead by that time anyway, even if its members didn't know it. I actually enjoy Mongo McMichael (only somewhat ironically), but that Mongo/Debra/Jarrett love triangle was awful. You stick Jarrett in a Horsemen with Flair, Benoit, and Hennig and that's actually pretty watchable! a lot of bad posts? Grow some balls internet warrior and name some. Coming from someone who enjoys Mongo that's truly saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) What if Flair and Bischoff don't fall out over Flair going to watch his kid's wrestling tournament over going to that Thunder taping in April 1998? Do the Horsemen reunite then? How does that change summer of 1998? Does that throw a monkey wrench into what they were doing with Goldberg? Does Flair perhaps get the spot that DDP got with Karl Malone against Rodman and Hogan at Bash at the Beach? Does he get the spot with Jay Leno at Road Wild? How does that affect Bret Hart who was basically just meandering through the midcard around that time? Edited October 22, 2021 by cwoy2j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 It would have robbed us of the Greenville promo, arguably the best moment on Nitro 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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