Patrick B. Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 St. Louis indy shows have been drawing like gangbusters lately. The last SICW show in East Carondelet drew over 300 to a small venue. MMWA at South Broadway had a packed house in January and they had to turn people away last night with an announced attendance of 625. Really fun time to be a fan of independent wrestling around here. I live in Perryville, MO, and as soon as I get transportation I'll be frequently attending MMWA/SICW shows, and I might even give St. Louis Anarchy in Alton, Ill a look see. Really good indy scene around here. Four groups run in this area with solid products: Anarchy, SICW, MMWA, and Dynamo Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I live in Idaho. There is no wrestling...none...zero... Fuck Idaho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I don't want to get into a whole debate about HHHs drawing ability but the difference between HHH and everyone else mentioned (Cena, Austin, Hogan, Rock...even Punk) is there is at least the perception that these performers were draws, massively over and earned/deserved their spots. Therefore there was a logical business reason why they were on top and heavily protected. There's a perception ( which I admit I agree with) that HHH is a product of being booked strong for almost twenty years straight. And given how he's currently been booked for the last 6 months as the top heel on the roster I'm still waiting to hear the crowd treat him like one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 have we mentioned that Cactus Jack/Rock would have been better for WM2000 than the McMahon in Every Corner and Foley coming out of retirement clusterfuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hell, Triple H/Rock would have made perfect sense, been what they had seemed to be aiming at all year, and could have had the exact same result if they wanted it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Literally just a guts outward FU so the widow maker is the one Piece of trivia no one will give a fuck about: I used the Widowmaker as my finish. Even I didn't know that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I don't want to get into a whole debate about HHHs drawing ability but the difference between HHH and everyone else mentioned (Cena, Austin, Hogan, Rock...even Punk) is there is at least the perception that these performers were draws, massively over and earned/deserved their spots. Therefore there was a logical business reason why they were on top and heavily protected. There's a perception ( which I admit I agree with) that HHH is a product of being booked strong for almost twenty years straight. And given how he's currently been booked for the last 6 months as the top heel on the roster I'm still waiting to hear the crowd treat him like one. 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I don't want to get into a whole debate about HHHs drawing ability but the difference between HHH and everyone else mentioned (Cena, Austin, Hogan, Rock...even Punk) is there is at least the perception that these performers were draws, massively over and earned/deserved their spots. Therefore there was a logical business reason why they were on top and heavily protected. There's a perception ( which I admit I agree with) that HHH is a product of being booked strong for almost twenty years straight. And given how he's currently been booked for the last 6 months as the top heel on the roster I'm still waiting to hear the crowd treat him like one. 20 years? He was originally supposed to win the '96 KOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Literally just a guts outward FU so the widow maker is the onePiece of trivia no one will give a fuck about: I used the Widowmaker as my finish. Even I didn't know that one... That's because in Missouri I was doing tag matches 90% of the time, where we used our tag finish. The Widowmaker I mostly used down in Arkansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Right, but he didn't and it isn't 2016. He wasn't pushed strong consistently until a few years after 96. I get what you mean but it hasn't been that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You're right. It's been closer to 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Right, but he didn't and it isn't 2016. He wasn't pushed strong consistently until a few years after 96. I get what you mean but it hasn't been that long. He won the IC Title in 1996, won KOTR and formed DX with Shawn in 97, nice face run and another IC Title in 98, main-event push in 99. That's a pretty consistent strong push. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 From his debut up until the MSG incident, he was fairly well protected too (Warrior match notwithstanding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Well why not? One thing people complain about nowadays is guys not getting a sustained effort from management to make new stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 St. Louis indy shows have been drawing like gangbusters lately. The last SICW show in East Carondelet drew over 300 to a small venue. MMWA at South Broadway had a packed house in January and they had to turn people away last night with an announced attendance of 625. Really fun time to be a fan of independent wrestling around here. I live in Perryville, MO, and as soon as I get transportation I'll be frequently attending MMWA/SICW shows, and I might even give St. Louis Anarchy in Alton, Ill a look see. Really good indy scene around here. Four groups run in this area with solid products: Anarchy, SICW, MMWA, and Dynamo Pro. I'll have to check out Dynamo Pro as well. Hey man, you going to the ROH shows in Carbondale and Collinsville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I live in Idaho. There is no wrestling...none...zero... Fuck Idaho... I always kinda felt for states like Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming- they get ignored for everything else, someone could at least start a fucking indy up there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah but then there wouldn't be anyone to wrestle in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah but then there wouldn't be anyone to wrestle in it Yeah, but that's why you'd only run that area if you had serious money and connections in wrestling, so you can import people from other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 St. Louis indy shows have been drawing like gangbusters lately. The last SICW show in East Carondelet drew over 300 to a small venue. MMWA at South Broadway had a packed house in January and they had to turn people away last night with an announced attendance of 625. Really fun time to be a fan of independent wrestling around here. I live in Perryville, MO, and as soon as I get transportation I'll be frequently attending MMWA/SICW shows, and I might even give St. Louis Anarchy in Alton, Ill a look see. Really good indy scene around here. Four groups run in this area with solid products: Anarchy, SICW, MMWA, and Dynamo Pro. I'll have to check out Dynamo Pro as well. Hey man, you going to the ROH shows in Carbondale and Collinsville? Probably Collinsville. My days of driving as far as Cape Girardeau, Herrin, or Mt. Vernon are probably done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 It was really 97 when Hunter was more or less a member of the writing team, right? What's crazy about that to me was that he already had a ton of influence and he was only 28 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Awkward claim to fame - I used to have hot steamy 15 year old cyber sessions with Emma over ICQ back in the day. As a result of this, she used to rig the raffle for me in her role as barrel girl at the local indy fed that used to operate near Melbourne Airport. The steamy willingness to roleplay as Bubba Ray Dudley won me a Bash n Brawler and a Ric Flair DVD over a magical month in late 2005. Wondering whether its worth finding my old computer at my parents house and finding those chat transcripts between us. ....eh, at least I didn't name drop her real name like that Roman Reigns guy. Oh it is motherfucking worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 the weird thing? she did the exact same dance in those 2005 ICQ sessions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The sound Emma made while reading that post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah but then there wouldn't be anyone to wrestle in it Yeah, but that's why you'd only run that area if you had serious money and connections in wrestling, so you can import people from other areas. Exactly. There have been some retired workers here and I've even talked to them about running a show here and training guys but, well...that's as far as it goes. I've ring announced at some local MMA show that have done very well. I really do think a really athletic style indie would work here. I guess there is an indie running in Salt Lake (four hours from me) but I have yet to check out a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah but then there wouldn't be anyone to wrestle in it Yeah, but that's why you'd only run that area if you had serious money and connections in wrestling, so you can import people from other areas. Exactly. There have been some retired workers here and I've even tgalked to them about running a show here and training guys but, well...that's as far as it goes. I've ring announced at some local MMA show that have done very well. I really do think a really athletic style indie would work here. I guess there is an indie running in Salt Lake (four hours from me) but I have yet to check out a show. I would think that bringing guys in that were known nationally would be financially unworkable. Because of the distance, wouldn't everyone be a fly-in? Is there anyone of note living around Calgary these days besides Lance Storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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