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He's the world tag team champion having one last chance at the spotlight and getting to do it with his brother. All of that #brotherhood stuff. The mutual respect after the four way with Show and Rey, the way he fights back out of the corner against the Wyatts, the way he works the corner lighting the crowd up for the hot tag like a guy who's not just wrestling but really cares. Not only is it there, but Dustin's a good enough wrestler that he can portray his character almost entirely through body language and what he does in the ring. That's why those Goldust chants happen almost every show, no matter where they are, which you seem to be missing entirely. It's all on the screen, right down to the crowd's reactions.

 

You might have an actual point somewhere within your ridiculous tomfoolerfy but not about Dustin in the last few months, as late as this week. Argue about someone else, because you couldn't be further off the mark here.

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He's the world tag team champion having one last chance at the spotlight and getting to do it with his brother. All of that #brotherhood stuff. The mutual respect after the four way with Show and Rey, the way he fights back out of the corner against the Wyatts, the way he works the corner lighting the crowd up for the hot tag like a guy who's not just wrestling but really cares. Not only is it there, but Dustin's a good enough wrestler that he can portray his character almost entirely through body language and what he does in the ring. That's why those Goldust chants happen almost every show, no matter where they are, which you seem to be missing entirely. It's all on the screen, right down to the crowd's reactions.

 

You might have an actual point somewhere within your ridiculous tomfoolerfy but not about Dustin in the last few months, as late as this week. Argue about someone else, because you couldn't be further off the mark here.

Why is he wearing the Goldust get up?

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Kofi Kingston is the perfect example of this era of nondescript era of WWE superstars. He's got an exciting enough move set that he should be a lot more over than he is, but nobody really cares. People can't connect to him. He started out as a happy-go-lucky jamaican dude and then one day he was just a regular black guy who was now being billed from somewhere in Africa and didn't have any accent.. who still dressed like a jamaican guy. If I'm a kid watching him I'm like "what the fuck is the point of this guy?" Hell, I say that to myself now as a grown adult.

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I'm more with FSW on this debate than Gregg, but that's okay.  Just preference.  It maybe blasphemous to say this on this board, but when I watch WWE these days, it's definitely more for the soap opera, big angles & storylines, and huge event side of things over the actual wrestling.  Not that I can't appreciate wrestling or enjoy it, but it's more of a perk for me now. 

 

I understand The Shield Vs. the random combo generator of the Usos, Punk, Bryan, and Goldust/Cody is always going to produce an entertaining match, but at this point, I'd be lying if I said I had any real interest in who's going to win the next 6 men match between these guys.  As with every great porn movie, what's their motivation again? I know they have one and someone will probably reply to me with one, but the consequences just lead to another 6 or 8 men matchup, so I'm not sure it matters.  I would trade almost of all those matches for the initial excitement over the " Cody/Goldust get fired and rebel" storyline.  That was fun for me.  People were chanting "Cody" in a Randy Orton Vs. Cody Rhodes match because they put a compelling soap opera element in it.

 

I understand people saying the in-ring matches are better or just more consistently solid now. Yet, I feel more indifferent or even neutral toward so many WWE characters now than in the past.  I probably loathed or strongly disliked more characters in the past(lets say the mid-90s and early 2000s for reference sake), but at least they made me feel something.  Same with the ones I enjoyed.

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The wrestling is very strong to be sure, but after seeing a high amount of very good matches in the same style over the past two years, I sometimes have problems delineating between them. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love the in-ring work on in-ring merits alone as much as anyone, but what separates 2014 WWE from, say, 1985 NWA is the fact that the weekly wrestling was good AND everyone had motivation besides, even if it was just "I want to be the champion really badly." Does Kofi want to be champ? I don't know. He has the belt and has these non-descript matches and loses it and marches on. Maybe he gets a few rematches before then, but there's no buildup of "I lost and I desperately want that belt back because I'm getting paid less and because you cheated to win it from me" or anything like that. 

 

As I have posted often, I'm watching WCW from the mid-90s. Take something like DDP's character arc which spanned four years. He was a scumbag with a hot valet that he took for granted until Johnny B. Badd beat him and took his title, his money, and his woman. DDP, at this nadir, goes off TV for a bit and then comes back re-focused. He gets the support of the crowd as he starts to find success again. Then, the nWo comes around, and DDP is now a changed man who appreciates the crowd's support, part of (not all) of the reason that he decides to stand against the nWo for the fans of WCW. This gets the crowd even more behind him, and eventually, he gets to the top and becomes champion...before reaching that goal turns him back into the petty, jealous, cheating shit that he was before. 

 

Meanwhile, here in 2014, we have a bunch of midcarders that interchangeably win and lose solid wrestling matches with one another and never change, ever, unless there is a jarring re-shaping of the character out of nowhere. 

 

Now, take the Shield. These are guys that are mercenaries and violent people, which they have been since they got here. They won a lot of six-man tags, and now they lose some, but that's about it. What are they doing with the Shield except putting them on autopilot until the inevitable Reigns turn? Align them with someone or give them a motivation to focus their attacks on someone. Hell, even if they just decide they want to be champs and annoy everyone by invoking the Freebird Rule because they like money, and titles equal money, that would be an improvement. 

 

WWE wrestling in this day is great to watch on YouTube. In isolation, there is great work there. But as a whole show, it's a bunch of guys having similar good matches over three hours for little discernible reason for the most part. 

 

This brings me to another point about the WWE's specific ring style, which is that watching the same style of match with the same "the faces are on fire, can they keep it up?!" breaks in every tag match and the same your-finisher/my-finisher kickouts in every "WWE epic" really makes every match the same special type of match at one point, which is to say "not so special at all." Even early-mid '90s WWF had cool wrestlers like Doink the Clown doing mat wrestling and stump pullers and guys like Hakushi doing random awesome flippy stuff. Going further down the road in the post-Attitude era, why was Tajiri so over? Well, he has incredible charisma, but also, he did visually interesting stuff like the mist and the Tarantula and didn't wrestle like Regal, who didn't wrestle like Austin, who didn't wrestle like Jericho. 

 

Now, we have guys who don't get to show any real personality wrestling the same segmented WWE-style match on like eight hours of television a week. When FSW or other people say that this is boring, I totally get it because I feel the same way, even though I love great in-ring action as much as anyone. 

 

This is just my thought on it, and anyone who disagrees and really focuses on the in-ring action, I absolutely do get where you are coming from. 

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As long as it took to do the worm back in the day, Scott took twice as long this time. Like he knew it was the last chance he would ever get to do it in front of a WWE crowd and wanted to milk it for all it was worth. I don't blame him, but it couldn't have better highlighted what a horrible gimmick Too Cool were. Any non-troll holding them up as the reason the Attitude era was so much better is lost in a haze of nostalgia and meth fumes.

It amazes me how badly you miss the point. The point is that Too Cool have more charisma and were more over than guys higher up the card today. Not "Bring back Scotty and Sexay!".

 

 

More charisma and were more over? WTF are you smoking and where can I buy some? I recall even the casual fans that would gather at Shorty's to watch RAW when it was the hip thing to do would use the appearance of Too Cool as time to go get another drink or use the restroom.

 

Is there a more stupid argument than "me and my friends didn't like them, so nobody did"?

 

 

No, there likely isn't unless it would be the sort of stupid sweeping generalizations that you seem so fond of.  The crowd I speak of were hardly friends, I am remarking as an observer of the time period of the reaction of their target audience. Granted, you were probably still shitting yourself back then and are speaking out of a false sense of nostalgia or just trying some simple trolling, but be that as it may. The fact remains that the rather large audience of  20-somethings, (which I hope we can agree was the target demographic of the "Attitude Era"), did not seem overly impressed with Too Cool. For that matter, I can't recall ever seeing a single "Tool Cool" item of apparel, and I tend to notice wrestling-related stuff. However, I'm not stupid enough to say that any of this indicates that Tool Cool wasn't over. I'm sure they were with at least a segment of the viewers, they didn't happen to be with any of the viewers that I saw first hand, but obviously they wouldn't have been kept on the roster as long as they were if there wasn't at least some positive feedback.  (You see that's how you avoid making a sweeping generalization and an ass out of yourself.) You're welcome.

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I'll go one further: I don't care about RhodesDust because Goldust isn't doing anything to make me care any more. They have lots of good matches sure, but they're having matches to have matches, not because they have any sort of reason to post-Shield.

 

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Now he's a wrestler wrestling matches.

 

 

 

What an odd thing to find on a wrestling program....

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He's the world tag team champion having one last chance at the spotlight and getting to do it with his brother. All of that #brotherhood stuff. The mutual respect after the four way with Show and Rey, the way he fights back out of the corner against the Wyatts, the way he works the corner lighting the crowd up for the hot tag like a guy who's not just wrestling but really cares. Not only is it there, but Dustin's a good enough wrestler that he can portray his character almost entirely through body language and what he does in the ring. That's why those Goldust chants happen almost every show, no matter where they are, which you seem to be missing entirely. It's all on the screen, right down to the crowd's reactions.

 

You might have an actual point somewhere within your ridiculous tomfoolerfy but not about Dustin in the last few months, as late as this week. Argue about someone else, because you couldn't be further off the mark here.

Why is he wearing the Goldust get up?

 

 

To get you all hot and bothered?

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As long as it took to do the worm back in the day, Scott took twice as long this time. Like he knew it was the last chance he would ever get to do it in front of a WWE crowd and wanted to milk it for all it was worth. I don't blame him, but it couldn't have better highlighted what a horrible gimmick Too Cool were. Any non-troll holding them up as the reason the Attitude era was so much better is lost in a haze of nostalgia and meth fumes.

It amazes me how badly you miss the point. The point is that Too Cool have more charisma and were more over than guys higher up the card today. Not "Bring back Scotty and Sexay!".

 

 

More charisma and were more over? WTF are you smoking and where can I buy some? I recall even the casual fans that would gather at Shorty's to watch RAW when it was the hip thing to do would use the appearance of Too Cool as time to go get another drink or use the restroom.

 

Is there a more stupid argument than "me and my friends didn't like them, so nobody did"?

 

 

No, there likely isn't unless it would be the sort of stupid sweeping generalizations that you seem so fond of.  The crowd I speak of were hardly friends, I am remarking as an observer of the time period of the reaction of their target audience. Granted, you were probably still shitting yourself back then and are speaking out of a false sense of nostalgia or just trying some simple trolling, but be that as it may. The fact remains that the rather large audience of  20-somethings, (which I hope we can agree was the target demographic of the "Attitude Era"), did not seem overly impressed with Too Cool. For that matter, I can't recall ever seeing a single "Tool Cool" item of apparel, and I tend to notice wrestling-related stuff. However, I'm not stupid enough to say that any of this indicates that Tool Cool wasn't over. I'm sure they were with at least a segment of the viewers, they didn't happen to be with any of the viewers that I saw first hand, but obviously they wouldn't have been kept on the roster as long as they were if there wasn't at least some positive feedback.  (You see that's how you avoid making a sweeping generalization and an ass out of yourself.) You're welcome.

 

You've missed the point spectacularly. Again. You are talking about some dudes in a bar. The same dudes in the same bar. 2 Cool were over in every arena for a year. Crowds were loudly behind them. Louder then, for an opener, than they are now for a midcard act. That matters quite a lot more than your anecdotal gibberish.

 

And since you keep trying, weakly, to make me look bad - I'd advise you keep the "shitting yourself" out of it given your scatalogical leanings.

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As long as it took to do the worm back in the day, Scott took twice as long this time. Like he knew it was the last chance he would ever get to do it in front of a WWE crowd and wanted to milk it for all it was worth. I don't blame him, but it couldn't have better highlighted what a horrible gimmick Too Cool were. Any non-troll holding them up as the reason the Attitude era was so much better is lost in a haze of nostalgia and meth fumes.

It amazes me how badly you miss the point. The point is that Too Cool have more charisma and were more over than guys higher up the card today. Not "Bring back Scotty and Sexay!".

 

 

More charisma and were more over? WTF are you smoking and where can I buy some? I recall even the casual fans that would gather at Shorty's to watch RAW when it was the hip thing to do would use the appearance of Too Cool as time to go get another drink or use the restroom.

 

Is there a more stupid argument than "me and my friends didn't like them, so nobody did"?

 

 

No, there likely isn't unless it would be the sort of stupid sweeping generalizations that you seem so fond of.  The crowd I speak of were hardly friends, I am remarking as an observer of the time period of the reaction of their target audience. Granted, you were probably still shitting yourself back then and are speaking out of a false sense of nostalgia or just trying some simple trolling, but be that as it may. The fact remains that the rather large audience of  20-somethings, (which I hope we can agree was the target demographic of the "Attitude Era"), did not seem overly impressed with Too Cool. For that matter, I can't recall ever seeing a single "Tool Cool" item of apparel, and I tend to notice wrestling-related stuff. However, I'm not stupid enough to say that any of this indicates that Tool Cool wasn't over. I'm sure they were with at least a segment of the viewers, they didn't happen to be with any of the viewers that I saw first hand, but obviously they wouldn't have been kept on the roster as long as they were if there wasn't at least some positive feedback.  (You see that's how you avoid making a sweeping generalization and an ass out of yourself.) You're welcome.

 

You've missed the point spectacularly. Again. You are talking about some dudes in a bar. The same dudes in the same bar. 2 Cool were over in every arena for a year. Crowds were loudly behind them. Louder then, for an opener, than they are now for a midcard act. That matters quite a lot more than your anecdotal gibberish.

 

And since you keep trying, weakly, to make me look bad - I'd advise you keep the "shitting yourself" out of it given your scatalogical leanings.

 

 

"Some dudes in a bar"? Yes, these were the very same people that WWE was attempting to market to... However, their opinion doesn't coincide with your own, so obviously this first-hand "anecdotal evidence"  is trumped by your experiences following Tool Cool from arena to arena? What were you, a demented groupie? Oh, you didn't actually see these massive pops first-hand? Oh, so this would then be "anecdotal gibberish"; except that since you're the one serving it up we should accept it as gospel?

 

"Trying to make you look bad?" Son, I don't even have to try...

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As long as it took to do the worm back in the day, Scott took twice as long this time. Like he knew it was the last chance he would ever get to do it in front of a WWE crowd and wanted to milk it for all it was worth. I don't blame him, but it couldn't have better highlighted what a horrible gimmick Too Cool were. Any non-troll holding them up as the reason the Attitude era was so much better is lost in a haze of nostalgia and meth fumes.

It amazes me how badly you miss the point. The point is that Too Cool have more charisma and were more over than guys higher up the card today. Not "Bring back Scotty and Sexay!".

 

 

More charisma and were more over? WTF are you smoking and where can I buy some? I recall even the casual fans that would gather at Shorty's to watch RAW when it was the hip thing to do would use the appearance of Too Cool as time to go get another drink or use the restroom.

 

Is there a more stupid argument than "me and my friends didn't like them, so nobody did"?

 

 

No, there likely isn't unless it would be the sort of stupid sweeping generalizations that you seem so fond of.  The crowd I speak of were hardly friends, I am remarking as an observer of the time period of the reaction of their target audience. Granted, you were probably still shitting yourself back then and are speaking out of a false sense of nostalgia or just trying some simple trolling, but be that as it may. The fact remains that the rather large audience of  20-somethings, (which I hope we can agree was the target demographic of the "Attitude Era"), did not seem overly impressed with Too Cool. For that matter, I can't recall ever seeing a single "Tool Cool" item of apparel, and I tend to notice wrestling-related stuff. However, I'm not stupid enough to say that any of this indicates that Tool Cool wasn't over. I'm sure they were with at least a segment of the viewers, they didn't happen to be with any of the viewers that I saw first hand, but obviously they wouldn't have been kept on the roster as long as they were if there wasn't at least some positive feedback.  (You see that's how you avoid making a sweeping generalization and an ass out of yourself.) You're welcome.

 

You've missed the point spectacularly. Again. You are talking about some dudes in a bar. The same dudes in the same bar. 2 Cool were over in every arena for a year. Crowds were loudly behind them. Louder then, for an opener, than they are now for a midcard act. That matters quite a lot more than your anecdotal gibberish.

 

And since you keep trying, weakly, to make me look bad - I'd advise you keep the "shitting yourself" out of it given your scatalogical leanings.

 

 

"Some dudes in a bar"? Yes, these were the very same people that WWE was attempting to market to... However, their opinion doesn't coincide with your own, so obviously this first-hand "anecdotal evidence"  is trumped by your experiences following Tool Cool from arena to arena? What were you, a demented groupie? Oh, you didn't actually see these massive pops first-hand? Oh, so this would then be "anecdotal gibberish"; except that since you're the one serving it up we should accept it as gospel?

 

"Trying to make you look bad?" Son, I don't even have to try...

 

It's on tv every week you daft, creepy weirdo.

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Jesus it's fucking math FSW.

 

The number of dudes in the bar was clearly greater than the number of people in the arenas who would dance with Rikishi every week. There's no way he'd be arguing this if it wasn't.

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Jesus it's fucking math FSW.

 

The number of dudes in the bar was clearly greater than the number of people in the arenas who would dance with Rikishi every week. There's no way he'd be arguing this if it wasn't.

You're right old top, I didn't even think about that. Didn't realise you were on twitter by the way, consider yourself... FOLLOWED.

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Rikishi was awesome and Too Cool was fun. I didn't even know this was a point of dispute.

It wasn't. People were mostly saying they didn't want a roster of Too Cools and Godfathers (understandable) while I was saying I want more of them (I do). It was more "I want characters" vs "I'm happy with the good wrestling" than anything else. I guess Greg hated Too Cool but there's always somebody who hates a wrestler.

 

Then OSJ tried to be the big man and shat himself in the process. Embarrassingly. And appropriately.

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I'll go one further: I don't care about RhodesDust because Goldust isn't doing anything to make me care any more. They have lots of good matches sure, but they're having matches to have matches, not because they have any sort of reason to post-Shield.

 

I'd argue that Goldust is one of the few with a motivation that just hasn't been explained very well - as a veteran that earned himself one last run and wants to prove that he's still got it.

 

When he came back it was awesome and made a bunch of sense and was a great feelgood moment. Now he's a wrestler wrestling matches.

 

 

What reason did Too Cool have to do what they did? I don't remember any epic Too Cool feuds, weren't they just wrestlers having wrestling matches, except those matches weren't very good and two minutes long?

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Psychological edge. He still does the little biting of the air and hands on the chest taunt and what else. 

 

I could go more into depth but there's really no need. That's part of his ringwork too. 

 

He is onto something though. Wether it be heel or face I would love to see him ditch the Goldust gimmick and have one more run as "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes before he's done. Who knows if he'd even want that.

 

And yes it is a point of contention. I really think Too Cool are/were shite wrestlers. Maybe this is because WCW had Rey, Eddie, Ultimo, Malenko, etc and the WWF had Too Cool, TAKA, and Essa Rios. For a Jr. division it wasn't even close.

 

Rikishi was quite good but the stinkface got so tiring at the end.

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I'll go one further: I don't care about RhodesDust because Goldust isn't doing anything to make me care any more. They have lots of good matches sure, but they're having matches to have matches, not because they have any sort of reason to post-Shield.

 

I'd argue that Goldust is one of the few with a motivation that just hasn't been explained very well - as a veteran that earned himself one last run and wants to prove that he's still got it.

 

When he came back it was awesome and made a bunch of sense and was a great feelgood moment. Now he's a wrestler wrestling matches.

 

 

What reason did Too Cool have to do what they did? I don't remember any epic Too Cool feuds, weren't they just wrestlers having wrestling matches, except those matches weren't very good and two minutes long?

 

DingDingDing. And a minute of those matches was some poor bastard having to lay down and take the worm. I wonder if Bob Holly ever jobbed to that move...

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Psychological edge. He still does the little biting of the air and hands on the chest taunt and what else. 

 

I could go more into depth but there's really no need. That's part of his ringwork too. 

 

He is onto something though. Wether it be heel or face I would love to see him ditch the Goldust gimmick and have one more run as "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes before he's done. Who knows if he'd even want that.

 

And yes it is a point of contention. I really think Too Cool are/were shite wrestlers. Maybe this is because WCW had Rey, Eddie, Ultimo, Malenko, etc and the WWF had Too Cool, TAKA, and Essa Rios. For a Jr. division it wasn't even close.

 

Rikishi was quite good but the stinkface got so tiring at the end.

 

 

Man, I love Dustin the Natural as much as the anyone but I saw some of his mid 00s stuff as Dusty Rhodes, Jr, and while some of it was good, there was just something missing. I remember in 98-99 really wanting Surfer Sting back but that would have just been offputting in retrospect. Sometimes you can't go home again. All you can do is make the home you have as awesome as you can.

 

Also, man, I watched the 97, 98 and the start of the 99 Rumbles over the last few days just for kicks and the crowd for the 99 one is just a bunch of fratboy douchebags with self-centered signs. I've never seen a crowd easier to visibly hate within a matter of minutes. They are not a good indication of anything. 

 

That said, the much more even crowds in 97 and 98 sat on their hands the whole time so that wasn't good either. 

 

All THAT said, can we please just agree that it'd be great if we could have great characters with great motivations giving us the kind of matches we are having these days and it's a shame that the writing crew can't pull that off and the wrestlers aren't given the chance to shine and/or don't have the charisma. I mean it really doesn't have to be an either/or. Ideally we get both. It sucks we don't right now, but we do get is pretty good, just like what we did get in 98-99 was pretty good too. And what we don't get now is disappointing, just like what we didn't get then was too. 

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I'll go one further: I don't care about RhodesDust because Goldust isn't doing anything to make me care any more. They have lots of good matches sure, but they're having matches to have matches, not because they have any sort of reason to post-Shield.

 

I'd argue that Goldust is one of the few with a motivation that just hasn't been explained very well - as a veteran that earned himself one last run and wants to prove that he's still got it.

 

When he came back it was awesome and made a bunch of sense and was a great feelgood moment. Now he's a wrestler wrestling matches.

 

 

What reason did Too Cool have to do what they did? I don't remember any epic Too Cool feuds, weren't they just wrestlers having wrestling matches, except those matches weren't very good and two minutes long?

People cared is the difference, I guess. The problem is that "dancing idiots" is better than "guys who wrestle" when "guys who wrestle" is a roster-wide thing.

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Which goes back to my question, about whether they were over because they were interesting OR if they were over because wrestling in general was over.

 

I really didn't like Too Cool, and I think I always thought the reason they were over is because of the massive party like atmosphere wrestling had back then. You could go to a show and everyone was like "FUCK YEAH WE'RE WATCHING WRESTLING EVERYTHING IS AWESOME."

 

Now it's like, "Yeah, I guess we're going to watch this tonight. Maybe I'll review it for my blog."

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And another thing.

 

Roster integration.

 

Every second week you seem to see the locker room gathered out on the ramp for a groundbreaking reaction or you cut to guys wandering around the back with no heat with each other with a reaction to something relatively meaningless in a month's time (Cena's return, etc). Not so bad now that there's no brand split to care about, but still an annoyance.

 

Given that there's always two or three of the top guys missing, we're pretty much hammered home who matters and who doesn't.

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Which goes back to my question, about whether they were over because they were interesting OR if they were over because wrestling in general was over.

 

I really didn't like Too Cool, and I think I always thought the reason they were over is because of the massive party like atmosphere wrestling had back then. You could go to a show and everyone was like "FUCK YEAH WE'RE WATCHING WRESTLING EVERYTHING IS AWESOME."

 

Now it's like, "Yeah, I guess we're going to watch this tonight. Maybe I'll review it for my blog."

 

I think you're on to something here. My point (which obviously flew over FSW's head, not really surprising, but still...) was that even to the target demographic for WWE (20-somethings with disposable income), Too Cool was hardly the phenom he seems to remember. The argument of "It's on tv every week" is about as stupid as one can get when you factor in editing and WWE employees exhorting people to stand up, dance, hold up signs, shit on themselves, or whatever Pavlovian reaction is called for.  I'd actually argue that a loyal audience that can be seen to react week after week is a much better barometer. Granted, the 200 or so folks that were at the bar every Monday might be too small to be considered a decent sampling, but I'd put a lot more credence in an eyewitness than in the false nostalgia of someone who was likely throwing their pacifier at the screen during most of the 1990s.

 

Anyway, to your point, one can get away with lots of filler when a card is perceived as an "event". However, such filler was neither very good nor should it be fondly memorialized as being any better than it was.  I realize that FSW  gets upset when someone calls attention to the illogic in his trolling rants, but enough was really enough. FSW can run along and play with his (WTF were those pillow things called, "wrestling buddies"?) "wrestling buddies" of Too Cool, but more people are likely to want to discuss some of the great tv matches we've been seeing. 

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Which goes back to my question, about whether they were over because they were interesting OR if they were over because wrestling in general was over.

 

I really didn't like Too Cool, and I think I always thought the reason they were over is because of the massive party like atmosphere wrestling had back then. You could go to a show and everyone was like "FUCK YEAH WE'RE WATCHING WRESTLING EVERYTHING IS AWESOME."

 

Now it's like, "Yeah, I guess we're going to watch this tonight. Maybe I'll review it for my blog."

 

I think you're on to something here. My point (which obviously flew over FSW's head, not really surprising, but still...) was that even to the target demographic for WWE (20-somethings with disposable income), Too Cool was hardly the phenom he seems to remember. The argument of "It's on tv every week" is about as stupid as one can get when you factor in editing and WWE employees exhorting people to stand up, dance, hold up signs, shit on themselves, or whatever Pavlovian reaction is called for.  I'd actually argue that a loyal audience that can be seen to react week after week is a much better barometer. Granted, the 200 or so folks that were at the bar every Monday might be too small to be considered a decent sampling, but I'd put a lot more credence in an eyewitness than in the false nostalgia of someone who was likely throwing their pacifier at the screen during most of the 1990s.

 

Anyway, to your point, one can get away with lots of filler when a card is perceived as an "event". However, such filler was neither very good nor should it be fondly memorialized as being any better than it was.  I realize that FSW  gets upset when someone calls attention to the illogic in his trolling rants, but enough was really enough. FSW can run along and play with his (WTF were those pillow things called, "wrestling buddies"?) "wrestling buddies" of Too Cool, but more people are likely to want to discuss some of the great tv matches we've been seeing. 

 

Hahaha you've lost your fucking mind. Stick to the scat porn fanfic.

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