Tromatagon Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Nobody thinks that or expects the streak to end don't worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The only way somebody might get made by ending the streak is if after it reaches a nice round 25-0 in 'Taker's final match; he goes and stays away for a year or two, long enough to put out a commemorative 25-0 boxset then 3-4 WrestleManias later some uberdouche goads him into coming out of retirement to defend the streak. Which probably isn't feasible in the slightest. I mean if you trotted out 'Taker every six to eight months for the occasional special cameo appearance match (just to make sure he doesn't totally erode and break down physically over that span) you kill the whole mystique of having him really and truly retired and the streak set in stone. I don't believe the streak should end either. And definitely not to some wretch like C.M. Punk last year..... or an injury prone pile of blubber like Bray Wyatt whose shelf life is shorter-lived in his current gimmick than everybody thinks. If anybody ended it I'd like it to be some brand new coked out superhero type but the WWE doesn't even make those molds anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I don't know, Taker seems to believe in going out with a loss. Undertaker's last match would happen at a Wrestlemania, there can be no other venue for it. Even if he loses, he still has the streak of 21 straight wins, so it isn't a complete loss. The fact that he has offered it up in the past to Kane and Orton makes me think he'd like it to end. Depending on how Undertaker holds up and if Roman Reigns can take off... he could be the one next year. Honestly, it would mean more than any other one match out there to make someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Source for the going out on a loss thing and offering it up to those guys please Sounds like shit Scott Keith says 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Old school guys like to go out on their backs. Unless they're Inoki or Hogan etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libs Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm pretty sure Meltzer has mentioned him wanting/needing to go out on a loss, whenever he's going, before. Most logically, Bryan's story should be to come out champion at Mania (maybe even over Brock, if they really want to play up an underdog angle), but if that's not to be, fine. From how he's been booked this past year, whatever he does, it just needs to be a credible triumph for him somehow -- not because if it isn't, he'll be berried~!, but because it's simple pay-off and riding out the momentum. I don't think The Streak should necessarily end, but if they do go for Bryan/Taker, it should be to put him over it and let that be his moment, in kayfabe, that wraps up The Authority giving him all the shit they did, all the near misses, all the no-where the Wyatt stuff dragged him, all the having to rely on "gifts" from a guy like Cena to get anywhere at all. If they aren't willing to do that, then don't book the match and save it for next year, if Taker is still intending to keep going; if Lesnar is too much for Taker to physically handle, feed Cena to him this year (it won't hurt Cena at all). Or Sting. Or a handicap match against The Shield. Or... whatever other act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 WWE writes their history retroactively. Whether or not the angle was supposed to last this long/short or end this way, if they establish a scenario like Greggulator outlined above through the media of the announcers and promos, then that is what happened ("canon" as the kids say nowadays). I think that the chant and/or BD's overness always were going to sabotage any sort of turn for him with these modern day anti-hero lovin' crowds. I liked it, RAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Source for the going out on a loss thing and offering it up to those guys please Sounds like shit Scott Keith says Well now that I look for a official source I cannot find anything beyond heresy, so take my previous words out of the equation. I still say he is going out losing and his last match will be at Wrestlemania, no way Vince lets that go out on anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 WWE signed Uhaa? Nobody should end the Taker's streak. Not someone established or someone for a rub. Could you imagine someone getting the Ryback push, ends the streak and end up tagging with Curt Hennings boring ass son. Wasteful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Well I figured the concussion stuff was overblown, and no updates at the end of the week can't be anything but positive. But, you know. The internet. Also, if Taker is retiring, he HAS to lose to Bryan. Perfect storm. If not? He shouldn't lose ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 There's no update because he's not taking the Impact test until Monday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Taker actually does want to go out on a loss, then Bryan's about the best person for him to lose to, but for people who want this because it will "make" Daniel Bryan, then I've got a question: Who "made" Hogan? Shieky? You can make the argument for Andre, but really Hogan was massively over even before WM3. Who "made" Austin? HBK? Nah, Austin was already the guy, then. Hart? Well maybe, but Austin LOST that match. Who "made" Rock, Cena, Flair, etc. If Bryan is going to be one of those guys, he's gonna do it on his own merits whether or not he ends the streak or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooks Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 This conversation comes up every few months about the streak, and it's always the same points back and forth. I fall into the "it shouldn't be broken" crowd for a few reasons. But overall, I think the best reason not to do it would be because the fans would hate it. I just really don't think that the fans, as a whole, want to see Taker beat at Wrestlemania, and I imagine the reaction to it happening would either be a total deflation of energy of the crowd that was present or a backlash of heat against whoever does it. That being said, I figure Taker will do whatever the hell he wants to do and no one will really argue with him if he puts his foot down one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Sting ever signs to the WWE he Has to debut in the rafters in full crow make up pointing a base ball bat at somebody standing in the ring with Michael Cole saying "Its...... Its! STING!!!!!!!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Brock had properly brutefucked Triple H and Punk like the corny pushovers they are (well, compared to Brock anyways) Bryan would've gotten just as much out of a win over him at WM. And if Brock wrecks some top guys on the road to 'Mania, it would still be a big deal for Bryan to pick up a win over him at 'Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 What is the current kayfabe hierarchy of power in the WWE? Vince Triple H/Stephanie Kane/Brad Maddox (who can overrule the other?) Vickie Guerrero (since she comes to RAW and makes decisions sometimes, I don't even know if she should be below Kane/Maddox) Booker T?? (Can't remember if he's still supposed to be an authority figure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Since I'm assuming that was their 2nd WM match where 'Taker was allegedly willing to do the honors, that Kane rumor makes no sense. I mean hadn't Triple H already unmasked therefore deballed him by then anyways? Ending the streak wasn't going to do shit for Kane. Besides he and Big Show were settled well into their Kolchak phases by then where they'd be the monster of the month at best whenever the champ had nobody else to face on some filler PPV. So Kane ever being considered to end the streak was kind of ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 What is the current kayfabe hierarchy of power in the WWE? Vince Triple H/Stephanie Kane/Brad Maddox (who can overrule the other?) Vickie Guerrero (since she comes to RAW and makes decisions sometimes, I don't even know if she should be below Kane/Maddox) Booker T?? (Can't remember if he's still supposed to be an authority figure) I think Booker T just hangs around. He's kinda like Tony Garea now. As for the GM's. Maddox can make rulings/matches. But Kane can in turn supersede those rulings and matches. I assume the same applies to Vickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooker Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I've always wondered what the big deal about someone breaking Taker's streak is. I'll admit, I've fantasy book'd a guy or two in a Taker WM match, but this whole streak must end to be mean anything seems like a bunch of hog wash. This is pro-wrestling. You don't build something up that much without paying it off, and letting Undertaker retire undefeated is exactly what that is. Ideally, the streak should be broken by someone, and Undertaker tries to avenge the loss the next year and loses again. If Taker actually does want to go out on a loss, then Bryan's about the best person for him to lose to, but for people who want this because it will "make" Daniel Bryan, then I've got a question: Who "made" Hogan? Shieky? You can make the argument for Andre, but really Hogan was massively over even before WM3. Who "made" Austin? HBK? Nah, Austin was already the guy, then. Hart? Well maybe, but Austin LOST that match. Who "made" Rock, Cena, Flair, etc. If Bryan is going to be one of those guys, he's gonna do it on his own merits whether or not he ends the streak or not. The thing that made Hogan, Austin, and Cena are a combination of them being hot and able to squeeze anything they can out of an angle (both attributes Danielson has) and their being unbeatable. Rock and Flair are basically just themselves, although it seems weird to say that about The Rock, who had basically a two year grooming period for the main event. Loses could have hurt Austin, probably would have hurt Cena, and definitely would have hurt Hogan. Flair and Rock were pretty bulletproof. Danielson is looking bulletproof, but it's still early, so the WWE could still fuck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Brock had properly brutefucked Triple H and Punk like the corny pushovers they are (well, compared to Brock anyways) Bryan would've gotten just as much out of a win over him at WM. And if Brock wrecks some top guys on the road to 'Mania, it would still be a big deal for Bryan to pick up a win over him at 'Mania. Brock losing to Triple H, actually a one arm Triple H was the worst. Brock should just gorilla fuck everyone in his way or keep him far away from anyone like Bryan who has no reason lasting more then 5 minutes with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southofheavy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The Streak can be broken as long as it's to the right person and it's done in the right fashion. Personally, I'd put it at 60/40. Broken vs. Not-Broken. It wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point, Bryan takes it down, Roman Reigns next year or the year after, or Cena takes it and turns heel. Cena doing it and turning heel would fucking rule, but it's the least likely option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southofheavy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Regardless of whether the streak gets ended or not, I've always thought it would be really cool if the Undertaker hands over the urn and the powers to someone else. Someone that has an occult/supernatural gimmick already, or something close enough to it. What do y'all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Regardless of whether the streak gets ended or not, I've always thought it would be really cool if the Undertaker hands over the urn and the powers to someone else. Someone that has an occult/supernatural gimmick already, or something close enough to it. What do y'all think? and that's how Bray Wyatt became the Paul Bearer for Erick Rowan's Undertaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southofheavy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Sure. Not that I'm entirely sold on Rowan, but something along those lines. Have him shave that beard and maybe wear some corpsepaint? There needs to be waaaaaay more black metal in wrestling. They're made for eachother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Regardless of whether the streak gets ended or not, I've always thought it would be really cool if the Undertaker hands over the urn and the powers to someone else. Someone that has an occult/supernatural gimmick already, or something close enough to it. What do y'all think? Jason Todd should break the streak. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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