EN090 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 This news came out of nowhere and I figured it deserved a separate topic. While I enjoyed Jarrett's last heel run, and he's obviously an important figure in the company's history, I see this as a good thing. stuffing instead of potatoes has been improving the last couple weeks, with the exception of endless gimmick matches upon gimmick matches. This is a Jeff Jarrett trademark and hopefully it will be toned down, now that he's gone. It will be interesting to see what lead to this, since it sounded like he just started gaining some of his power back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I loved Meltzer and Alvarez discussing this story. Bryan asked Dave what Jarrett's next career move might be, and Dave's answer was basically "Either it's in wrestling, or it's not." Now that's what I call journalism. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 He still owns a percentage of the company though right? Probably for the best he steps away, except for MMA Jarrett nothing he did in TNA was ever noteworthy. Part of that was Dusty's fault though with his poor booking of Planet Jarrett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I loved Meltzer and Alvarez discussing this story. Bryan asked Dave what Jarrett's next career move might be, and Dave's answer was basically "Either it's in wrestling, or it's not." Now that's what I call journalism. Either he's alive or he's dead, or the cops got him... or they don't. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I read some article that basically said TNA was going to shed everyone that isn't Kurt or Sting and just use nickel and dime guys (or current guys willing to work for that). Was that a legit report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I would guess they would try to keep Jeff Hardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 At this point, there is a serious question of why they would try to keep anybody making serious money, since nobody has moved numbers at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 People have moved numbers, but nobody is going to continue watching a shitty promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 TNA is at an interesting place in their history. Everything done during the Hogan ERA (2010-2013) shows that going live, moving to Mondays, taking the show on the road, and signing EVERY big name that was not under WWE contract didn't amount to a hill of beans. The TNA apologists will blame Spike TV for being a shitty network (while conviently ignoring the 10/14/10 and the 1/4/10 episodes of Impact). The square of blame goes directly on TNA not wanting to do anything CREATIVELY to shake up pro wrestling. Two company takeover angles in the span of 3 years, an ECW reunion show, Kurt/Hogan re-enacting The Montreal Screwjob, authority figures taking up TONS of TV time with backstage office skits showing their decision making and 'frustration', etc. One can argue that The ECW reunion show did good numbers and was probably one of TNA's highest rated PPVs of that year. The first company takeover angle in the mentioned time period lead to one fo their biggest Impact ratings (as mentioned previously) and even The Montreal Screwjob re-enactment lead to increased interest (albeit a week) for Impact. Long term, all of these events did nothing for TNA, because it was old-hat. Been-there-done-that. And that pretty much sums up The Hogan Era. Eric Bischoff as the evil authority figure, the build to and eventual match of Hogan/Flair, the generic theme music, and WCW level of nepotism (Garrett Bischoff, Brooke Hogan, Wes Brisco) that COMPLETELY ignores someone's overness when considering placement on the card. JJ is not the savior. He is not the answer. People have to remember that TNA was PRETTY BAD when JJ had influence. Let's not paint 2005 like it was some golden era of TNA. It had PLENTY of trash. JJ was leading TNA in a bad direction so-much-so that after the Slammiversary in MI- he was pulled from power. It's 2013 and Mike Tenay should NOT be the lead commentator. It's 2013 and AJ Styles should NOT be the face of TNA. It's 2013 and TNA needs to realize that theme music, website, and all the little details TNA feels are not important (one of the reasons for The Impact Zone fire from a few years ago)..actually are very important. Obviously if stuffing instead of potatoes stinks you won’t retain any fans, but you can’t get new fans because no one will be willing to try a product with crappy advertising. Taken to the extreme, if an ad for the TNA was a 30 second clip of grass growing, no one who did not already watch the TNA would watch.There has been decades of academic work validating the importance of advertising, from theoretical explanations to economic analyses of advertising effects. So a static/sub-optimal advertising strategy will certainly have negative implications. Again, the same with the TV presentation, posters, DVD art, etc., all of which were ignored by JJ during his ruling and remaining influence. In short..this isn't bad news. This is something that should have happened YEARS ago. JJ vision of TNA only lasted a few weeks until Carter stepped in. Carter's vision has not worked. It's time for a new vision and new direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 If it is 2013 and they have yet to figure any of this out, they probably won't ever. Until Dixie isn't in charge, nothing will change. That is how they let Hogan/Bischoff run them into the ground for years. Jarrett leaving won't do much to change that, they never hire anyone competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 This is probably just a coincidence, but didn't it come out a few months ago that a gut check contestant was suing TNA for racial discrimination? And Jarrett was in charge of that. His first TNA-hiatus was mainly due to stuff that came out in Konnan's lawsuit, as well as the Karen thing, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgi86 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 This is probably just a coincidence, but didn't it come out a few months ago that a gut check contestant was suing TNA for racial discrimination? And Jarrett was in charge of that. Jarrett had nothing to do with Gut Check. The house show version was run by D'Lo Brown (or Simon Diamond sometimes) and the TV version was all Al Snow and Bruce Prichard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Did some google searches. While he wasn't exactly "in charge" he appears to have been heavily involved along with D'Lo Brown. I don't know if that's the reason, but I do think there's way more to this than meets the eye. If you're a guy with five kids I'm not sure you're going to resign from a steady gig unless you absolutely have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Perhaps he's financially solvent and doesn't necessarily need the job? Hard to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn411 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Taking Impact on the Road,going live every Thursday and trying the Monday Night Wars may have been failures but it was necessary steps to try to grow the promotion beyond the "Arena Football" feel. How can people be against Hogan/Bischoff for that? You have to take chances. Re-creating Monday Night Wars may have been stupid in hindsight but on paper which night gets the biggest wrestling audience? They manage to get over 2 million viewers on the first Monday show BUT of course TNA didn't know how to capitalize on that. As for Jarrett, he probably help Konnan and his AAA US show out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Well, with Heath Slater home for personal reasons, there IS a hole in 3MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Oh no, I hope it's nothing bad with Slater! He seems like a good kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Hogan and Bischoff never really took chances, they just tried to bring WCW circa 2000 back to life. They never took chances on talent, they never did anything that wasn't self-serving. They didn't want to grow the company, they wanted to just show up and have that be a big enough deal to move them into the big leagues. Taking chances isn't bringing back the Nasty Boys, the nWo, Sean Morley and all the rest of their past their prime friends and have them dominate TNA all those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Hogan and Bischoff never really took chances, they just tried to bring WCW circa 2000 back to life. They never took chances on talent, they never did anything that wasn't self-serving. They didn't want to grow the company, they wanted to just show up and have that be a big enough deal to move them into the big leagues. Taking chances isn't bringing back the Nasty Boys, the nWo, Sean Morley and all the rest of their past their prime friends and have them dominate TNA all those years. True, but in all fairness the Nastys and Morley weren't around for long, and Hall and Nash were in TNA long before Hogan was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I concede that; it is not fair to fully blame them. It is TNA, where everything that can be done wrong will be. There was no excuse for extending their contracts beyond the initial two years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 A lot of this is on Jeff Jarrett as well. I know he started TNA and all, but he fucked up on all the lucrative angles and potential new main eventers TNA could've had. At points, it looked like TNA was his vanity promotion so he could stick it to Vince McMahon for firing him and proving that he was a main event talent. He never drew with a damn in TNA. He was a terrible main eventer and world champion. When Samoa Joe was their hottest commodity in 2005 and 2006, they cut out his legs from under him. They signed Kurt Angle and squandered all the buzz behind him. They made idiotic moves like signing Pacman Jones to get attention, but those moves never moved the needle. Not to mention they signed Jones to be a wrestler only he was forbidden from wrestling. They even ran Christian out of the company after he had established himself as a strong heel and one of the company's better workers. I still can't fathom why they brought back Vince Russo to head up creative after he had all but left wrestling. Russo said he couldn't be a good person and be in wrestling anymore. Born again Christian. Blah blah fucking bullshit blah. They fucking bombed their ratings after Slammiversary 2006. They bombed Sting's return to wrestling. Their solution? Let's bring back Vince Russo. Yup. Ratings didn't really change at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 TNA has such an awful, low rent, backwards ass stigma attached to it that they're never going to grow bigger than they already are. It would take a monumental rebranding, an honest to God attempt at not burying anyone that is remotely getting over, a change to their look, and they need to honestly listen to their fans in an almost crowd-sourcing type of way. They can't pay any attention to whatever WWE is doing and they can't try to steal those fans. They basically need to shut down and become a completely new company with a new name and a somewhat new roster. If Dixie sells the company, they should also be honest about that. Bring her out, thank her for her efforts, and then the new owner announces when TNA ends and the new promotion begins. He/She talks about the changes that can be expected and then just a simple thank you to the crowd and tell them that they're welcomed by the new promotion. Wrestling is such a carny as hell business though, that I'm not sure anyone is out there that has those best intentions in mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Taking Impact on the Road,going live every Thursday and trying the Monday Night Wars may have been failures but it was necessary steps to try to grow the promotion beyond the "Arena Football" feel. How can people be against Hogan/Bischoff for that? You have to take chances. Re-creating Monday Night Wars may have been stupid in hindsight but on paper which night gets the biggest wrestling audience? They manage to get over 2 million viewers on the first Monday show BUT of course TNA didn't know how to capitalize on that. As for Jarrett, he probably help Konnan and his AAA US show out. That is the thinking of someone who doesn't understand the pro wrestling landscape of the 21st century. TNA is a 21st century pro wrestling company using a 20th century business model. One of the biggest problems with TNA is that they do something that they have seen work in the past (or is currently working) and replicate it without understanding WHY it worked/is working. WWE fans are not fans of pro wrestling, they are fans of the product. The majority of WWE fans are not searching the internet for an alternative as all the big stuff happens in WWE and if its important- it will happen in WWE. TNA didn't and still doesn't understand this. The Monday Night Wars made ZERO sense and anyone who was paying attention to pro wrestling trends post Big Three Era would have known that it was a suicide mention and one of pro wrestling biggest con jobs headed by two of the biggest carnies of all time. Another issue with going to Monday Nights was that it was all built around "Oh man! Remember when Nitro and Raw went head-to-head in the 90's!" and nothing more. TNA wasn't hyping their product. TNA used its promo time to talk about an old 'war' and WWE and how much they are fans of said war and the overall concept. Robert Roode gushing about the 90's and flipping channels when he was younger instead of telling me and millions of others WHY WE SHOULD CHECK OUT IMPACT against Raw. Again, there is no way in hell going to Mondays came off like a solid plan to anyone who had their fingers on the pulse of pro wrestling. Taking the show on the road...I can see. Going Live and going to Monday nights I do not see. Makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie20x6 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I loved Meltzer and Alvarez discussing this story. Bryan asked Dave what Jarrett's next career move might be, and Dave's answer was basically "Either it's in wrestling, or it's not." Now that's what I call journalism. Either he's alive or he's dead, or the cops got him... or they don't. It would appear as though the cat burglar was CAUGHT... BY THE VERY PERSON who was TRYING to catch him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Jeff Jarrett has generally been a shitty boss and promoter: -Brought in Vince Russo -tried to build TNA around himself, a massive failure. -was so casually and openly racist to Konnan, Ron Killings and others, Dixie had to pay Konnan close to $1 million just to avoid going to court -TNA's scummy practices of low pay and refusal to pay medical bills seems to have started from him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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