supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said: I’ll add that Addai belongs in the HoF ftw because of how good of a blocking back he was. He used to stand LBs up on their heels in the middle. Him and Greene for the Packers were the GOAT at that and they were a reason those teams won. They did it every 3rd down after running up the middle twice before. They seriously belong on any list of GOAT blocking backs with all the old FBs. This is the hottest of hot takes. I don't know if I would even consider him the goat blocking back of his era, let alone an hall of fame level back. Marion Barber might be my #1 from that time. I'd say that both Edgerrin James and Maurice Jones-Drew were better blockers and were vastly better as runners. Saquon is pretty easily the most impactful blocker right now. He pancaked Bobby Wagner yesterday and generally looks like a brick wall during pass pro.
BloodyChamp Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Those other guys were good blockers, and Saquon is definitely a good blocker right now. Addai is up there just the same. He didn’t get noticed for doing it because you kinda have to be a stud skill player first to get noticed blocking, even if you’re already a good blocker. Brady even talked about it kinda when he was talking about the OLmen yesterday. What he said was true 100% of the time but it only got said when 1 lineman played on 1 leg for a half.
NoFistsJustFlips Posted January 27 Posted January 27 So anyone have any idea why that controversial 4th down spot wasn't measured? They didn't measure originally, they didn't measure after the call stood. Isn't the normal procedure to measure when its close to make sure? Not just decide we don't think he got there. Its very odd the 3rd down play that was close wasn't measure then kind of outrageous that the 4th down wasn't measured either.
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: So anyone have any idea why that controversial 4th down spot wasn't measured? They didn't measure originally, they didn't measure after the call stood. Isn't the normal procedure to measure when its close to make sure? Not just decide we don't think he got there. Its very odd the 3rd down play that was close wasn't measure then kind of outrageous that the 4th down wasn't measured either. The spot had it clearly short. They won't measure unless it's not clear from where the white hat stands. Then the replay happened, and since they didn't see clearly that JA had gotten the extra yard (mainly because KC's #95 blocked the angle), the call on the field stood.
supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: So anyone have any idea why that controversial 4th down spot wasn't measured? They didn't measure originally, they didn't measure after the call stood. Isn't the normal procedure to measure when its close to make sure? Not just decide we don't think he got there. Its very odd the 3rd down play that was close wasn't measure then kind of outrageous that the 4th down wasn't measured either. I saw this discussed and it was that the marker was exactly on the hashmark and they saw he didn't make it to the hashmark on the replay assist.
supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: live by the tushpush, die by the tushpush Yeah, I have no sympathy for running the same exact unimaginative play and getting stuffed repeatedly. I'm not going to sit here and argue whether the ball was placed correctly when no one can actually see the ball. It's one of the few parts of the game where I think that the should go to the defense. If it was up to me, and the offense doesn't clearly get the yardage, and the ball isn't visible during the replay it's short. 1
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 also for as good as James Cook was this season and last night, Cook rushed 5 times all regular season on 3rd downs and never touched the ball as a runner on 4th down https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJa01/splits/2024/
Kevin Wilson Posted January 27 Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: also for as good as James Cook was this season and last night, Cook rushed 5 times all regular season on 3rd downs and never touched the ball as a runner on 4th down https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJa01/splits/2024/ Slightly skewed stats, like most teams, the Bills use multiple running backs and Ty Johnson is the third down back. Other running backs had 15 rushes on 3rd down but it wasn't because they were afraid to use Cook or refused to use running backs, that was just Cook's breather. Some teams rotate series or half series, Bills usually rotated for 3rd downs (unless Cook ran a lot on a certain series and needed a break) to keep Cook fresh. I love Cook but he weighs under 200 pounds, he's not built for the meat grinder.
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said: Slightly skewed stats, like most teams, the Bills use multiple running backs and Ty Johnson is the third down back. Other running backs had 15 rushes on 3rd down but it wasn't because they were afraid to use Cook or refused to use running backs, that was just Cook's breather. Some teams rotate series or half series, Bills usually rotated for 3rd downs (unless Cook ran a lot on a certain series and needed a break) to keep Cook fresh. I love Cook but he weighs under 200 pounds, he's not built for the meat grinder. Johnson had 6 rushes on 3rd down all season and Josh Allen had 29 rushes.. usage-wise, Josh Allen was their 3rd down back. Although among actual RBs, Ray Davis (full name: Re'Mahn Walter Zhamar Jamar Davis) had more third down rushes than Johnson the downs splits on Allen are interesting since Allen has more TD passes on 3rd down than any other down, on 40 fewer passes, with a completion percentage a little over 50%.. getting to multiple pages on PFR is difficult right now since Allen and Mahones are getting 504 errors on their main pages Edited January 27 by Cobra Commander
Kevin Wilson Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Cobra Commander said: Johnson had 6 rushes on 3rd down all season and Josh Allen had 29 rushes.. usage-wise, Josh Allen was their 3rd down back the downs splits on Allen are interesting since Allen has more TD passes on 3rd down than any other down, on 40 fewer passes, with a completion percentage a little over 50%.. getting to multiple pages on PFR is difficult right now since Allen and Mahones are getting 504 errors on their main pages Ray Davis had 9, hence my "15" number. I agree last night they needed to pivot but Allen was 29 of 31 or something dumb on QB sneaks, QB sneaks have been around since the beginning of time and if they work teams will keep doing them. Tom Brady had 237 rushes on third down with 146 first downs, yes Allen has is going at a higher rate for sure but I am not going to fault a team for doing what works if its working. Now if its not working? Then you have to pivot and have a Plan B which they didn't have but I doubt Plan B would have been Cook up the middle.
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 teams are emphasizing sneaks up the middle so much in those spots that it almost makes going off tackle a little undervalued but yeah, I can see why creativity might not be used in that sort of situation, I did see what happened to the Lions when they got cute in the playoffs
supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: also for as good as James Cook was this season and last night, Cook rushed 5 times all regular season on 3rd downs and never touched the ball as a runner on 4th down https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJa01/splits/2024/ It's crazy how some teams never put there quarterback in these positions and others seem to do it over and over again. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson never really do quarterback sneaks despite how much they run. I wonder if there is actually a statistically significant injury difference between those two approaches. I can't see any way it's safer, but other than one Mahomes injury that didn't cause him to miss any time, I can't think of a time when a quarterback got injured doing it.
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, supremebve said: Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson never really do quarterback sneaks despite how much they run yeah Mahomes not doing QB sneaks since the knee injury in Denver a few years ago is a recurring topic whenever the Chiefs do something goofy-ish to avoid running a QB sneak.. Copycat league. really the best argument against sneaks is more about the concept of running towards the largest guys on the field. It's sorta like red zone offenses where some teams just struggle running plays in the red zone.
BloodyChamp Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I’ll add and admit/agree that the Bills continuing to sneak was stupid. It was even more stupid at the goal line because the Chiefs sold out to it. If you absolutely sell out to it you can stop it. Most teams don’t. There’s always 2 or 3 people back just in case. The Chiefs didn’t have to put people back because they were so close to the endzone, and with the extra people they could line up tight which was the difference IMO. I mean really…que that old Albert Einstein quote. Granted that last sequence wasn’t at the endzone. I was thinking atleast try a handoff to Cook who is becoming a GOAT stutterstep runner. He might have made something work. Him up the middle straight on in that situation probably wasn’t going to work. Dang dang dang Bills.
supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said: I’ll add and admit/agree that the Bills continuing to sneak was stupid. It was even more stupid at the goal line because the Chiefs sold out to it. If you absolutely sell out to it you can stop it. Most teams don’t. There’s always 2 or 3 people back just in case. The Chiefs didn’t have to put people back because they were so close to the endzone, and with the extra people they could line up tight which was the difference IMO. I mean really…que that old Albert Einstein quote. Granted that last sequence wasn’t at the endzone. I was thinking atleast try a handoff to Cook who is becoming a GOAT stutterstep runner. He might have made something work. Him up the middle straight on in that situation probably wasn’t going to work. Dang dang dang Bills. You must be a farmer, because you sure have a lot of GOATs. 1 1
BloodyChamp Posted January 27 Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, supremebve said: You must be a farmer, because you sure have a lot of GOATs. I’m Giovanni Carmazzi 3
supremebve Posted January 27 Posted January 27 So, every podcast I've listened to has tried to compare the top of the AFC quarterbacks to random nonsense. I figured it's my turn and this is probably the only place I can write this where anyone would understand. Mahomes is Misawa Allen is Kawada Lamar Jackson is Kobashi Burrow is Taue
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I guess we can't compare Mahomes and Allen to Hogan and Savage since Savage won the title a few times to job it to Hogan 1
BobbyWhioux Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Also, I was reading the NFL rule book as research for a troll bit a while back and the “palpably unfair act” provision stuck out for me when I came across it. So I’m kinda glad it actually came up in a game and everyone knows about it now. So that from now on people will know what I’m talking about when I say the “hard count” should be considered one 1
Cobra Commander Posted January 27 Posted January 27 the term used by soccer fans that could apply to "repeatedly committing pre-snap penalties while the other team is on the 1 yard line" would be "shithousery" 1
Brian Fowler Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, BobbyWhioux said: Also, I was reading the NFL rule book as research for a troll bit a while back and the “palpably unfair act” provision stuck out for me when I came across it. So I’m kinda glad it actually came up in a game and everyone knows about it now. So that from now on people will know what I’m talking about when I say the “hard count” should be considered one I was seeing earlier today it came about because of the Niners in a game kept committing defensive holding with under ten seconds left. Saints kept getting half the distance to the goal but losing a couple seconds, until they settled for a game tying field goal rather than risk going for the win with enough time for one snap.
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