Elsalvajeloco Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I don't think a most valuable fighter is someone who gives up a championship after a fight he didnt do well in I don't know the exact criteria, but I think most valuable fighter is basically the biggest draw. The only two options are GSP and Anderson Silva. Hell, the only two options since Brock went down with diverticulitis were those two. And now, Ronda is going to probably win that award based on what Dave said on the show. I have no problem with that at all if that's the criteria, but Cain winning Most Outstanding is a little out there unless you believe Weidman won two flukes. Even as the most ardent Anderson Silva fan, I have to say those wins were pretty decisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 WON Awards: Wrestler Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi MMA Most Valuable Fighter: Georges St. Pierre Most Outstanding Wrestler: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Box Office Draw: Georges St. Pierre Feud of the Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada Tag Team of the Year: The Shield (Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) Most Improved: Roman Reigns Best on Interviews: Paul Heyman Most Charismatic: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Technical Wrestler: Daniel Bryan Bruiser Brody Memorial Award (Best Brawler): Katsuyori Shibata Best Flying Wrestler: Kota Ibushi Most Overrated: Randy Orton Most Underrated: Antonio Cesaro Promotion of the Year: New Japan Pro Wrestling Best Weekly Television Show: WWE NXT Most Outstanding Fighter (formerly Shootfighter of the Year): Cain Velasquez Match Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 4/7 Fight of the Year: Gilbert Melendez vs. Diego Sanchez Rookie of the Year: Yohei Komatsu Best Non-Wrestler: Paul Heyman Best Television Announcer: William Regal Worst Television Announcer: Taz Best Major Show: New Japan G-1 Day 4 Worst Major Wrestling Show: WWE Battleground Best Wrestling Maneuver: Rainmaker - Kazuchika Okada Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic: WWE exploiting the death of Bill Moody (Paul Bearer) Worst Television Show: TNA iMPACT! Worst Worked Match Of The Year: Divas Tag Match (Survivor Series) Worst Feud of the Year: Big Show vs. The Authority Worst Promotion Of The Year: Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Best Booker: Jado and Gedo Promoter of the Year: Dana White Best Gimmick: The Wyatt Family Worst Gimmick: Aces & Eights Best Pro Wrestling Book: Mad Dogs, Midgets and Screw Jobs Best Pro Wrestling DVD: Jim Crockett Promotions: The Good Old Days surprised Velasquez was Most Outstanding Fighter. Doesn't make sense to me either. Velasquez beat two guys he already dominated a year prior. Weidman beat arguably the best fighter in the history of the sport TWICE. Only once during the voting timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 WON Awards: Wrestler Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi MMA Most Valuable Fighter: Georges St. Pierre Most Outstanding Wrestler: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Box Office Draw: Georges St. Pierre Feud of the Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada Tag Team of the Year: The Shield (Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) Most Improved: Roman Reigns Best on Interviews: Paul Heyman Most Charismatic: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Technical Wrestler: Daniel Bryan Bruiser Brody Memorial Award (Best Brawler): Katsuyori Shibata Best Flying Wrestler: Kota Ibushi Most Overrated: Randy Orton Most Underrated: Antonio Cesaro Promotion of the Year: New Japan Pro Wrestling Best Weekly Television Show: WWE NXT Most Outstanding Fighter (formerly Shootfighter of the Year): Cain Velasquez Match Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 4/7 Fight of the Year: Gilbert Melendez vs. Diego Sanchez Rookie of the Year: Yohei Komatsu Best Non-Wrestler: Paul Heyman Best Television Announcer: William Regal Worst Television Announcer: Taz Best Major Show: New Japan G-1 Day 4 Worst Major Wrestling Show: WWE Battleground Best Wrestling Maneuver: Rainmaker - Kazuchika Okada Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic: WWE exploiting the death of Bill Moody (Paul Bearer) Worst Television Show: TNA iMPACT! Worst Worked Match Of The Year: Divas Tag Match (Survivor Series) Worst Feud of the Year: Big Show vs. The Authority Worst Promotion Of The Year: Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Best Booker: Jado and Gedo Promoter of the Year: Dana White Best Gimmick: The Wyatt Family Worst Gimmick: Aces & Eights Best Pro Wrestling Book: Mad Dogs, Midgets and Screw Jobs Best Pro Wrestling DVD: Jim Crockett Promotions: The Good Old Days surprised Velasquez was Most Outstanding Fighter. Doesn't make sense to me either. Velasquez beat two guys he already dominated a year prior. Weidman beat arguably the best fighter in the history of the sport TWICE. Only once during the voting timeframe. WON Awards: Wrestler Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi MMA Most Valuable Fighter: Georges St. Pierre Most Outstanding Wrestler: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Box Office Draw: Georges St. Pierre Feud of the Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada Tag Team of the Year: The Shield (Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) Most Improved: Roman Reigns Best on Interviews: Paul Heyman Most Charismatic: Hiroshi Tanahashi Best Technical Wrestler: Daniel Bryan Bruiser Brody Memorial Award (Best Brawler): Katsuyori Shibata Best Flying Wrestler: Kota Ibushi Most Overrated: Randy Orton Most Underrated: Antonio Cesaro Promotion of the Year: New Japan Pro Wrestling Best Weekly Television Show: WWE NXT Most Outstanding Fighter (formerly Shootfighter of the Year): Cain Velasquez Match Of The Year: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 4/7 Fight of the Year: Gilbert Melendez vs. Diego Sanchez Rookie of the Year: Yohei Komatsu Best Non-Wrestler: Paul Heyman Best Television Announcer: William Regal Worst Television Announcer: Taz Best Major Show: New Japan G-1 Day 4 Worst Major Wrestling Show: WWE Battleground Best Wrestling Maneuver: Rainmaker - Kazuchika Okada Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic: WWE exploiting the death of Bill Moody (Paul Bearer) Worst Television Show: TNA iMPACT! Worst Worked Match Of The Year: Divas Tag Match (Survivor Series) Worst Feud of the Year: Big Show vs. The Authority Worst Promotion Of The Year: Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Best Booker: Jado and Gedo Promoter of the Year: Dana White Best Gimmick: The Wyatt Family Worst Gimmick: Aces & Eights Best Pro Wrestling Book: Mad Dogs, Midgets and Screw Jobs Best Pro Wrestling DVD: Jim Crockett Promotions: The Good Old Days surprised Velasquez was Most Outstanding Fighter. Doesn't make sense to me either. Velasquez beat two guys he already dominated a year prior. Weidman beat arguably the best fighter in the history of the sport TWICE. Only once during the voting timeframe. That's a shitty timeframe then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The case has always been made that no matter when the deadline is, the majority of the ballots show up at the end of the deadline. If you go December to December and have the deadline in early January, you get the results now. You go January to January, the ballots show up around now, and the results come out in mid-February, and nobody gives a shit about 2013 in February. BTW, the Observer Radio about the awards has two of my new favorite Bryan and Dave moments: first Bryan trying to convince everyone that THE MIZ was voted the Wrestler of the Year! after Dave had just spent two-three minutes trashing him, and then Bryan not understanding how anyone could have voted Daniel Bryan "Best Box Office Draw" and Dave countered with "Only one person did. That's not THAT many." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The case has always been made that no matter when the deadline is, the majority of the ballots show up at the end of the deadline. If you go December to December and have the deadline in early January, you get the results now. You go January to January, the ballots show up around now, and the results come out in mid-February, and nobody gives a shit about 2013 in February. MMA is a little different. The late December show was the de facto Wrestlemania big show for the UFC in 2013. If you wanna skew votes wildly, including the 2012 UFC NYE show and not the 2013 one would be the way to do it. You wouldn't do that with Wrestlemania because I would imagine that is very integral to the voting. The same would go for the 1/4 New Japan Tokyo Dome show. From the Observer: Cain Velasquez, 32, won more based on timing than anything else Yeah, that's dumb as shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 That's about as sound as us voting for wrestlers in the March Madness tourny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yeah but this year it's going to rule because Goldust has to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Can someone please post the full results for MOTY and Show of the Year voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Can someone please post the full results for MOTY and Show of the Year voting? Match of the Year: 1. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada - 4/7/13, Tokyo Japan (305) 2,002 2. Katsuyori Shibata vs Tomohiro Ishii - 8/4/13, Osaka, Japan (153) 1,497 3. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada - 10/14/13, Tokyo, Japan (142) 1,151 4. Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk - 8/18/13, Los Angeles, CA (76) 829 5. Daniel Bryan vs John Cena - 8/18/13, Los Angeles, CA (34) 556 6. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Tomohiro Ishii - 8/2/13, Tokyo, Japan (14) 451 7. Shinsuke Nakamura vs Kota Ibushi - 8/4/13, Osaka, Japan (33) 338 8. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kazuchika Okada - 1/4/13, Tokyo, Japan (39) 252 9. Katsuyori Shibata vs Hirooki Goto - 6/22/13, Osaka, Japan (11) 229 10. The Undertaker vs CM Punk - 4/7/13, East Rutherford, NJ (15) 212 Wasn't sure if you wanted Best weekly show or major show so here's both Best Major Show: 1. NJPW G-1 Climax 8/4/13 Osaka, Japan (334) 2,517 2. NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 1/4/13 Tokyo, Japan (286) 2,251 3. WWE SummerSlam 8/18/13 Los Angeles, CA (88) 799 4. New Japan Invasion Attack 4/7/13 Tokyo, Japan (36) 438 5. UFC 166 10/19/13 Houston, TX (37) 422 6. NJPW Dominion 6/22/13 Osaka, Japan (27) 315 7. WWE WrestleMania 29 4/7/13 East Rutherford, NJ (22) 186 8. Dragon Gate Kobe Festival 7/21/13 Kobe, Japan (25) 178 9. NJPW King of Pro Wrestling 10/14/13 Tokyo, Japan (2) 169 10. NJPW G-1 Climax Final 8/11/13 Tokyo, Japan (1) 135 Best Weekly Show: 1. WWE NXT (172) 1,837 2. WWE RAW (113) 1,210 3. Dragon Gate Infinity (83) 844 4. Ring of Honor (81) 812 5. The Ultimate Fighter (77) 660 6. WWE Total Divas (38) 393 7. WWE Smackdown (31) 372 8. NJPW World Pro Wrestling (46) 297 9. CMLL (15) 272 10. TNA Impact Wrestling (16) 263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Best Major Show: 1. NJPW G-1 Climax 8/4/13 Osaka, Japan (334) 2,517 2. NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 1/4/13 Tokyo, Japan (286) 2,251 3. WWE SummerSlam 8/18/13 Los Angeles, CA (88) 799 4. New Japan Invasion Attack 4/7/13 Tokyo, Japan (36) 438 5. UFC 166 10/19/13 Houston, TX (37) 422 6. NJPW Dominion 6/22/13 Osaka, Japan (27) 315 7. WWE WrestleMania 29 4/7/13 East Rutherford, NJ (22) 186 8. Dragon Gate Kobe Festival 7/21/13 Kobe, Japan (25) 178 9. NJPW King of Pro Wrestling 10/14/13 Tokyo, Japan (2) 169 10. NJPW G-1 Climax Final 8/11/13 Tokyo, Japan (1) 135 Who voted for this? Who? WHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimLivingston Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Well, from the looks of it, enough to earn 186 points in voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 People who watch nothing but WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Best Major Show: 1. NJPW G-1 Climax 8/4/13 Osaka, Japan (334) 2,517 2. NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 1/4/13 Tokyo, Japan (286) 2,251 3. WWE SummerSlam 8/18/13 Los Angeles, CA (88) 799 4. New Japan Invasion Attack 4/7/13 Tokyo, Japan (36) 438 5. UFC 166 10/19/13 Houston, TX (37) 422 6. NJPW Dominion 6/22/13 Osaka, Japan (27) 315 7. WWE WrestleMania 29 4/7/13 East Rutherford, NJ (22) 186 8. Dragon Gate Kobe Festival 7/21/13 Kobe, Japan (25) 178 9. NJPW King of Pro Wrestling 10/14/13 Tokyo, Japan (2) 169 10. NJPW G-1 Climax Final 8/11/13 Tokyo, Japan (1) 135 Who voted for this? Who? WHO? Jim Neidhart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 It's ridiculous that the Shield vs Hell No &Ryback match from TLC and the Cena-Punk match from Raw aren't on the MOTY list. Both of those were incredible IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeball Wizard Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 It's ridiculous that the Shield vs Hell No &Ryback match from TLC and the Cena-Punk match from Raw aren't on the MOTY list. Both of those were incredible IMO. Co-signed on Shield vs Hell No/Ryback. But, as was true in my case as well, I think it probably just got lost in the shuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Matches that happen earlier, especially something from December 2012, tend to get little push unless they were pimped by someone strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 22 people voted for Wrestlemania in first place. The three tier voting system leads to wonky shit anyway, like nobody voted for the Rookie of the year winner in first place but he won via second and third place points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 So it's going to be Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania for the third time in four years. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Did the Observer say that? I know that PWInsider reported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Did the Observer say that? I know that PWInsider reported it. Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 When did Dave report it? I know PWI did a couple days ago but I haven't seen it from WON yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 God help us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 God help us all. WWE's PATHWAY TO THE FUTURE!!!!! Keep going, Daniel, you'll get there!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 When did Dave report it? I know PWI did a couple days ago but I haven't seen it from WON yet. He just mentioned it on the Observer radio show last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 That conversation was amazing. Alvarez made a good point. Even if you are the biggest Daniel Bryan fan in the world, why the hell would you ever buy one of his t-shirts? They are terrible. Dave did discuss ratings and apparently Cena and Triple H are the two who move the needle but again.. They both agreed that Bryan has never really been given a shot as THE guy.. It was an interesting conversation. Big Dave put some asses in the seats on RAW but do I think he will sustain that interest? Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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