Dolfan in NYC Posted November 5 Posted November 5 I see a red door and I want it painted black. No colors anymore, I want them to turn black. We're on the road to Full Gear! We have a World Title match! A (NEW) tag team championship match! Even a (secondary) WOMEN'S championship match! We got everything! I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes. I have to turn my head, until my darkness goes... Meanwhile, MJF is laying out stips for the gift of jobbing to him. And Ricochet is teasing a mystery partner in his tag match against Takeshita & Fletcher. (But's probably NOT Dijak!) I see a line of cars and they're all painted black. With flowers and my love, both never to come back. Also on tap for tonight: Malakai's face paint isn't so much scary as... "Tree That's Come To Life". (Mick should have won an Oscar for Freejack.) Enjoy the week. 2 2
NikoBaltimore Posted November 5 Posted November 5 I actually did this for karaoke last Saturday. Went better than expected but I'm certainly no Mick Jagger. The show looks like lots of fun but man I'm hoping Malakai can pull off some magic to make Cole look better. 4
AxB Posted November 5 Posted November 5 The Rolling Stones went from 'Paint It Black' to 'She's a Rainbow' in the space of 18 months. You do wonder what happened in their lives, to change them so dramatically in such a short timespan. 2
Dolfan in NYC Posted November 6 Author Posted November 6 4 hours ago, COLETTI said: Tonight? I forgot to delay the post. 1
StuntmanCrowley Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I've never been high on the Adam Cole hate train, but it's criminal that he's most likely going over Black tonight. 3
Dolfan in NYC Posted November 6 Author Posted November 6 17 hours ago, AxB said: The Rolling Stones went from 'Paint It Black' to 'She's a Rainbow' in the space of 18 months. You do wonder what happened in their lives, to change them so dramatically in such a short timespan. Those 18 months happening in 1966 & 1967, I'm confident the answer can be summarized by the word "drugs." 2 1
SovietShooter Posted November 6 Posted November 6 59 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said: I've never been high on the Adam Cole hate train, but it's criminal that he's most likely going over Black tonight. Honest question... What is Black's appeal, outside of a spooky gimmick? I'm not saying he is the shits or anything, but I rate him as the third best worker in HOB. I feel the same way about "spooky" characters as most other people do with "rapper" gimmicks, so that doesn't help with my particular tastes. It just seems like he is over bc of the gimmick, but he doesn't really have good matches or have interesting angles. And with his history of not doing clean jobs (regardless of why) he seems like someone perfect to feed to a guy like Cole that you are trying to re-establish. Is there something that I'm missing? 4
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, SovietShooter said: Honest question... What is Black's appeal, outside of a spooky gimmick? I'm not saying he is the shits or anything, but I rate him as the third best worker in HOB. I feel the same way about "spooky" characters as most other people do with "rapper" gimmicks, so that doesn't help with my particular tastes. It just seems like he is over bc of the gimmick, but he doesn't really have good matches or have interesting angles. And with his history of not doing clean jobs (regardless of why) he seems like someone perfect to feed to a guy like Cole that you are trying to re-establish. Is there something that I'm missing? I honestly don't think so. Your assessment of his ranking within HOB is dead-on - maybe it is "just" the gimmick, but it's a damn fine one - people love spooky shit. Lots of horror/metal/comic book crossover in wrestling. I'm a fan, so I definitely don't intend this to be a knock, but I legitimately think his enduring level of overness can af least partially be ascribed to that: Undertaker's done, Sting's done, here's the new generation lights out spooky guy. ETA: For another example, it seemed to me like Bray Wyatt was a guy who was always similarly over in that way prior to his passing, and knew how to leverage that kind of imagery. Edited November 6 by Zakk_Sabbath
Infinit Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Matt D said: He’s Michael Hayes of the HOB. ️️️️️
Lawful Metal Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Malakai is cool. That’s it. So’s Brody, Buddy and Julia. And they’re cooler together. and though they’re heels, they have a weird code of ethics and are there for each other, and show respect when appropriate. They’re cool. 3
Lawful Metal Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I don’t think Adam Cole is cool. I think his best role is as a lovable goober, like in the MJF brochacho angle. Roderick is kinda in that role right now (but at least he’s a super worker and believable in the ring). It’s probably a minor pivot to get Adam there but he’d probably have to change his in ring work to a more lovable Roddy Piper style cheating (but in a lovable way). But last weeks match with Buddy was done so wrong and the whole I’m going to go to the back and forfeit due to injury made him look so lame. The opposite of Mankind falling off the stretcher at Hell in a Cell. Especially if he’s not going to sell the ankle 5 minutes later let alone wrestle another match the very next week 3
tbarrie Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 hour ago, SovietShooter said: I feel the same way about "spooky" characters as most other people do with "rapper" gimmicks, so that doesn't help with my particular tastes. Do most people not like rapper gimmicks? Because I've been told everybody loves The Acclaimed. 1 6
Technico Support Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, SovietShooter said: Honest question... What is Black's appeal, outside of a spooky gimmick? I'm not saying he is the shits or anything, but I rate him as the third best worker in HOB. I feel the same way about "spooky" characters as most other people do with "rapper" gimmicks, so that doesn't help with my particular tastes. It just seems like he is over bc of the gimmick, but he doesn't really have good matches or have interesting angles. And with his history of not doing clean jobs (regardless of why) he seems like someone perfect to feed to a guy like Cole that you are trying to re-establish. Is there something that I'm missing? 1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I honestly don't think so. Your assessment of his ranking within HOB is dead-on - maybe it is "just" the gimmick, but it's a damn fine one - people love spooky shit. Lots of horror/metal/comic book crossover in wrestling. I'm a fan, so I definitely don't intend this to be a knock, but I legitimately think his enduring level of overness can af least partially be ascribed to that: Undertaker's done, Sting's done, here's the new generation lights out spooky guy. ETA: For another example, it seemed to me like Bray Wyatt was a guy who was always similarly over in that way prior to his passing, and knew how to leverage that kind of imagery. 57 minutes ago, Matt D said: He’s Michael Hayes of the HOB. It's funny because I saw a lot of him when he was on indies as just Tommy End: kinda weird tatted up Dutch striking dude (THE MAN EXCALIBUR WRESTLED IN DUSSELDORF!!), he was very good and fun to watch. He's been overshadowed by the gimmickry and is just coasting on that. I mean he's older, too, and has probably lost a step (haven't we all?), but I blame it more on over reliance on the gimmick than age. As with all things, I blame WWE for his downfall. Thanks, Matt. Now I need to see Malakai moonwalking. Can we get him to remake Badstreet, USA as Badstreet, Holland? Anything but "I'm a Satanist and what was your excuse?" Edited November 6 by Technico Support 4
Lawful Metal Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Oh yeah. Black Mass is fucking cool. Looks like it kills people almost every time. 5
KriskitaKoloff Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Adam Cole vs Black is a match I have never wanted to see. 1
Technico Support Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lawful Metal said: Oh yeah. Black Mass is fucking cool. Looks like it kills people almost every time. End KO'ing Drew Gulak with an elbow out of nowhere was a highlight of BOLA 2015 for me. Like I said, he was so fun to watch when he was more about the work and less about the spookytime. Edited November 6 by Technico Support 3
John from Cincinnati Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I think the overarching Moxley story stinks, but that’s a very appealing tag match. Claudio basing for those guys and if PAC’s gonna insist on wearing his gear everywhere he might as well work.
Log Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 hours ago, Matt D said: He’s Michael Hayes of the HOB. Yeah, Brodie is Gordy. That works. But, Buddy isn't really Buddy is he? No one's really Buddy Roberts in wrestling these days. Also, it's funny that a spooky group has a guy named Buddy in it. 1
SturmCRF Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I enjoy Malakai as a wrestler, but I really love that he has good, eclectic taste in music. That Amenra theme is maybe the best wrestling entrance of all time. And in Progress Wrestling he came out to Agoraphobic Nosebleed, so he's not just into big scary beard dude music, he's also into small scary craft beer guy music. He's like me if I was taller, more handsome, better at fighting people, and Dutch. His promos are a bit rambly and bollocks though. 2 4
Technico Support Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I forgot to mention that, for this thread, I would have also accepted: Pac that Azz Up Baby Got Pac 1 3
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 6 Posted November 6 46 minutes ago, SturmCRF said: I enjoy Malakai as a wrestler, but I really love that he has good, eclectic taste in music. That Amenra theme is maybe the best wrestling entrance of all time. And in Progress Wrestling he came out to Agoraphobic Nosebleed, so he's not just into big scary beard dude music, he's also into small scary craft beer guy music. He's like me if I was taller, more handsome, better at fighting people, and Dutch. His promos are a bit rambly and bollocks though. 21 minutes ago, Technico Support said: I forgot to mention that, for this thread, I would have also accepted: Pac that Azz Up Baby Got Pac These back to back is why the Board is still the Board, dudes. Well done. 2 hours ago, KriskitaKoloff said: Adam Cole vs Black is a match I have never wanted to see. I'm actually a little bit surprised it never happened on an NXT Takeover, to be honest with you 3 1
HarryArchieGus Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, SovietShooter said: Honest question... What is Black's appeal, outside of a spooky gimmick? I'm not saying he is the shits or anything, but I rate him as the third best worker in HOB. I feel the same way about "spooky" characters as most other people do with "rapper" gimmicks, so that doesn't help with my particular tastes. It just seems like he is over bc of the gimmick, but he doesn't really have good matches or have interesting angles. And with his history of not doing clean jobs (regardless of why) he seems like someone perfect to feed to a guy like Cole that you are trying to re-establish. Is there something that I'm missing? 2 hours ago, Technico Support said: It's funny because I saw a lot of him when he was on indies as just Tommy End: kinda weird tatted up Dutch striking dude (THE MAN EXCALIBUR WRESTLED IN DUSSELDORF!!), he was very good and fun to watch. He's been overshadowed by the gimmickry and is just coasting on that. I mean he's older, too, and has probably lost a step (haven't we all?), but I blame it more on over reliance on the gimmick than age. As with all things, I blame WWE for his downfall. Thanks, Matt. Now I need to see Malakai moonwalking. Can we get him to remake Badstreet, USA as Badstreet, Holland? Anything but "I'm a Satanist and what was your excuse?" Malakai's early run showed a lot of promise. Minus the goofy commentary, his debut was pretty sensational. I loved the Cody squash, but the feud seemed to fail to elevate him. The story from there seems to be dominated by a back injury and a want to leave. Both issues seemed to reduce his opportunities. I've generally enjoyed his in ring - there's a fun pair of matches somewhere in there against Fuego Del Sol and the Dark Order. I thought the House's dominate title win over the Elite was pretty outstanding. The promos have always been questionable to say the least. The 'HOB rules' gimmick seemed like a random and ill-conceived idea, not unlike a lot of their creative - especially that ridiculous lighting scheme they thankfully stopped with. Malakai and his crew's use of the lights out gimmick has been more miss than hit, but 'Oh My' that entrance! I like him as a wrestler, but his presentation feels like his greatest strength. Edited November 6 by HarryArchieGus 2
Lawful Metal Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: These back to back is why the Board is still the Board, dudes. Well done. I'm actually a little bit surprised it never happened on an NXT Takeover, to be honest with you Didn’t it? I remember Cole screaming “is that all you got?” Right before the Black Mass. 1
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