July 2024 Wrestling Talk

[zendragon]

[Curt McGirt]

Pretty sure they showed that in the Heyman Legends special that was on last night. It was pretty interesting. Mother was a Holocaust survivor who apparently was impossible to please, got entree into the Garden and started working at age 15 (!!!)*, was in the paper like above "when being in the paper was important". He's one of those guys who probably sleeps four hours tops a night, like Vince. It's weird watching him supposedly off the record, because he sounds like he's always "on". 

* There are photos of him with everyone. Including Bruno, just chatting. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

That has to be an AI face swap with present Paul because there is no way Heyman is 22 there. No way.

[Curt McGirt]

The grey hair is jarring to me. But who knows. He'd already been running Studio 54 so the dude had to have been working with undue stress since... forever. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

6 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

The grey hair is jarring to me. But who knows. He'd already been running Studio 54 so the dude had to have been working with undue stress since... forever. 

So yeah, cocaine.

Cornette is 4 years older (both born in September) but in the mid 80s looked rather baby faced compared to Paul. That's scary. Cornette didn't start really looking his age until he got rather out of shape.

[DreamBroken]

I can't tag people, but this came up in the thread late last year: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXFlOuIdCXk

CM Punk unearths the 2003 dark match of Punk & Doug Delicious vs. The Road Warriors

[SovietShooter]

11 hours ago, zendragon said:

That one dude who leaked spoilers, the other dude who claimed Tony only pushes light skinned people certainly hasn't been invited back

Who was that - Pineapple Pete/Sugar Dunkerton?

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, DreamBroken said:

I can't tag people, but this came up in the thread late last year: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXFlOuIdCXk

CM Punk unearths the 2003 dark match of Punk & Doug Delicious vs. The Road Warriors

I was at that match!  Chavo broke his arm on the same show, which led to the Eddy/Tajiri pairing.

[Peck]

1 hour ago, SovietShooter said:

Who was that - Pineapple Pete/Sugar Dunkerton?

This could be totally different than what the original post is referring to but I remember Swole saying she left because of a lack of diversity, which led to Tony Khan rattling off a Tweet about all the black folks who had won a TV match that month, which then led to Lio Rush firing back at Khan and demanding he apologize for such a Tweet.

[caley]

BTW, this may interest no one but me, but, as I'm a huge, huge dork, I recently discovered that Tubi has  a big chunk of Gordon Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen and I've been watching it through for the third time and got to Season 6 and one of my favourite contestants, Van. Van is just this charismatic, ripped, dumb, prototypical Texan who's always shouting standard gym phrases ("Come on now!" "Get some!") and almost getting into fights with the Maitre'd. So I looked him up tonight to see what he's doing and found out his mother is Luna Vachon!

Here is the aforementioned fight with the Maitre'd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSSLUYroKg

[AxB]

4 hours ago, Peck said:

This could be totally different than what the original post is referring to but I remember Swole saying she left because of a lack of diversity, which led to Tony Khan rattling off a Tweet about all the black folks who had won a TV match that month, which then led to Lio Rush firing back at Khan and demanding he apologize for such a Tweet.

Swole said that the top of AEW was "too white". Which Tony Khan took personally, because the top of the company is him and Megha Parekh. Who are both Asian American, not white.

[zendragon]

9 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

Who was that - Pineapple Pete/Sugar Dunkerton?

Darius Lockhart

https://twitter.com/DLockPro/status/1477092895639363584

Edited July 30 by zendragon

[zendragon]

5 hours ago, caley said:

BTW, this may interest no one but me, but, as I'm a huge, huge dork, I recently discovered that Tubi has  a big chunk of Gordon Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen and I've been watching it through for the third time and got to Season 6 and one of my favourite contestants, Van. Van is just this charismatic, ripped, dumb, prototypical Texan who's always shouting standard gym phrases ("Come on now!" "Get some!") and almost getting into fights with the Maitre'd. So I looked him up tonight to see what he's doing and found out his mother is Luna Vachon!

Here is the aforementioned fight with the Maitre'd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSSLUYroKg

He was her DSOTR episode

[RazorbladeKiss87]

Was watching random matches last night and had a question. What's the deal with two Kendo Nagasaki's? Was it a case of "No one in America will know about the British guy?" Also, what's the mask they wore. Some type of fencing thing?

[Technico Support]

12 hours ago, Peck said:

This could be totally different than what the original post is referring to but I remember Swole saying she left because of a lack of diversity, which led to Tony Khan rattling off a Tweet about all the black folks who had won a TV match that month, which then led to Lio Rush firing back at Khan and demanding he apologize for such a Tweet.

It's so adorably on-brand for Tony to be so tone deaf as to respond to this complaint, valid or not, with stats.  Feels like Mitt Romney's "binders full of women" claim from back in the day.

[NikoBaltimore]

To add some more random to this I know Gerry Briscoe has gone to Olympic wrestling events to scout wrestlers for WWE.  While that makes sense I wonder if maybe pro wrestling should be looking more at judo.  Of course there's the wrestling tie-in with some submissions being done for real but watching how top-level judokas move I feel there's an untapped resource when looking for new talent.

And no I'm not counting Rousey because she was known to WWE via UFC and not the Olympics.  I just now remembered Bad New Brown did judo though haven't seen any of his early wrestling career to see what judo elements he brought to the matches.  By the time I saw him he was in WWF.

Edited July 30 by NikoBaltimore

[twiztor]

15 hours ago, DreamBroken said:

I can't tag people, but this came up in the thread late last year: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXFlOuIdCXk

CM Punk unearths the 2003 dark match of Punk & Doug Delicious vs. The Road Warriors

i ran across this yesterday as well. Pretty cool little artifact.

Punk mentions the LOD wrestling the night before, against Goldust, but i think this must be when they had that Raw match against RVD & Kane. i thought that was pretty great and was definitely on board for a short LOD run.

[Cobra Commander]

The one thing that would have made that match even wilder is if Punk took Hawk’s dropkick in 2003. I’m sure CM Punk has done a dropkick on film at least once although I doubt he would have done a spot where Punk dropkicks Hawk, Hawk nosells and Hawk dropkicks Punk

[Elsalvajeloco]

2 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said:

To add some more random to this I know Gerry Briscoe has gone to Olympic wrestling events to scout wrestlers for WWE.  While that makes sense I wonder if maybe pro wrestling should be looking more at judo.  Of course there's the wrestling tie-in with some submissions being done for real but watching how top-level judokas move I feel there's an untapped resource when looking for new talent.

And no I'm not counting Rousey because she was known to WWE via UFC and not the Olympics.  I just now remembered Bad New Brown did judo though haven't seen any of his early wrestling career to see what judo elements he brought to the matches.  By the time I saw him he was in WWF.

I feel like if Kayla Harrison wanted to do pro wrestling, she probably would have made gobs of money as the female Brock Lesnar. However, that was pre UFC and it seems like she didn't enjoy the AEW experience. Now that she's with UFC, maybe that is still an option as some sort of crossover down the line.

But yeah, IMO, they probably should be scouting across all combat sports especially the female contingent. I know they just started working Mensah-Stock in.

The problem on the men's side is most of those guys want to continue with their sport forever. Outside of the other issues compounded the situation, that was one of the downsides of going after Gable Steveson. So unless they explicitly want to do pro wrestling, it's not really worth it if their mind is still elsewhere.

Hell, if possible I would go after someone like a Kennedy Blades before UFC signs her when she gets through with school in a couple years. Great look and absolutely phenomenal athlete. If she gets a gold medal in Paris, she probably will want to return for 2028 in LA. Sign her before then.

[Ramo2653]

16 hours ago, Peck said:

This could be totally different than what the original post is referring to but I remember Swole saying she left because of a lack of diversity, which led to Tony Khan rattling off a Tweet about all the black folks who had won a TV match that month, which then led to Lio Rush firing back at Khan and demanding he apologize for such a Tweet.

I feel like this was the first instance of butthurt Tony Kahn via twitter. IIRC, Swole's contact wasn't renewed and she gave an interview where she said yeah the cards were not terribly diverse (it's not a hard numbers thing as much as it's where those people are positioned on the card and if they're given anything to work with) and the one that stuck out to me more was that since it's a real fend for yourself kind of company, some people felt lost creatively which I felt is super valid. And Kahn's response was something like "I didn't renew her contact because she's not very good" which sure dude, but maybe don't bash former talent if they bring up valid points. It's not a good look as an employer or for the overall mood of your roster.

[Eivion]

If I recall correctly she actually requested her release for other reasons. Tony snapped claiming he wouldn't have renewed her contract anyways because she was a terrible wrestler. The sad thing is she wasn't shitting on AEW so much as giving criticism on area she thought they could do better in since WWE at the time had been doing better in the same area. 

[zendragon]

6 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Was watching random matches last night and had a question. What's the deal with two Kendo Nagasaki's? Was it a case of "No one in America will know about the British guy?" Also, what's the mask they wore. Some type of fencing thing?

Kendo is a Japanese sword fighting martial art similar to fencing, that's the mask they wear its also where we get the kendo stick from

[NikoBaltimore]

Swole also said everything was great when doing the exit interview where she brought up those points.  So if there was no issue saying it in private I would assume because their faults were put in public TK got really thin-skinned about it.  I like the guy and aim to overlook some things but that was pretty bad.

I kind of miss Big Swole.  She had a presence about her that I liked though it's so rare for her to do anything wrestling-related I feel his comments led to her quietly retiring (last I remember was commentary for GCW during Mania weekend)

Edited July 30 by NikoBaltimore

[Elsalvajeloco]

No, she definitely had a little charisma. I thought when she did the "I'm married, BAY BAY!" bit with Britt, it should have been more after that in terms utilizing her more. Her issue was could her in ring acumen catch up to her charisma. However, at that point, that women's roster was a bunch of people having to learn on the job including the notable names. That's tough especially for someone who needs all the help she can get.

[AxB]

The thing is, Big Swole got clickbaited. She was doing an interview, and the interviewer managed to set a trap she fell into. And then the juicy quote got posted everywhere out of context.