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12 hours ago, zendragon said:

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Can we get a fashion watch?

Please don't mind me but for an awesome photo like this I hope @piranesisees this tag so he can lend his awesomeness to the fashion watch.

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The Rick Steamboat WWE Legends Biography episode is great. Typically I avoid these but Steamer isn't somebody that gets talked about a lot. He really seems like a guy I would like to sit around with and split a 12-pack and listen to stories, because he just has the knack. He tells a great story about an on-air announcement from All Japan leading to finding his mom's estranged family and when he breaks down for a sec you just wanna give him the biggest hug. He's such a good guy, who ended up getting screwed over a lot even though he thankfully never fell into the bigger wrestling pitfalls.

It may be a crazy coincidence but I skipped around through Bill Lustig's film Vigilante from 1982 starring Robert Forster today, and watched a very nice 15 minute video about it and him and his career on Youtube as well. Rick Steamboat is a lot like Robert Forster. He's the dependable guy who can steer the whole ship even though you think he might be too much of an everyman. He'll always be underrated, and deserved way more than he was given, even if everyone knows how great he was.

(If I do have a bit of a moan it's that the backing music on these shows is extremely loud and just pulverizes the dialogue sometimes; they really need to drop it in the mix. There's a whole new season of these coming and ECW is apparently next. I wonder how much of it will be new, because they have a whole 4 hour doc they could hack to pieces and reconstitute. Heyman will also have his own episode this season.)

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8 hours ago, Just Dave said:

I’m sure y’all will be shocked; Andrade is complaining on the internets (seemingly bout his usage). Tony Khan had a great response, though…

If you're going to post something like this maybe link or quote what was actually said for those of us not on X/Twitter/Instagram or whatever

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On 6/1/2024 at 4:10 PM, twiztor said:

funny you mention those specific things, because the CZW feud and the "Jimmy Loves Lacey" storylines are two of the things i'm looking forward to the most.

i can see why you would assume that, but in this instance that's not the case. i have gone back and watched/rewatched WCW from '93 thru the end. I rewatched WWF's Attitude Era. i watched ECW in its entirety for the first time. I make a serious effort to view these things in the context of what/when they are. (@sabremike, anyone who hates on ECW for those reasons is definitely in the wrong!)

I'm currently watching TNA and ROH from the beginning. Before i started this, i assumed that i would find TNA lame and eye-roll worthy, and use ROH's more mat-based action to balance that out so that i could appreciate each for what they were. 
What i'm finding out is that (aside from early 2003, where it was fucking terrible!) i enjoy TNA's presentation and storylines significantly more. There's more variety in pagentry/personal presentation, the promos are better (with a handful of exceptions), the wrestlers themselves come in a wider array of bodytypes, i just find it a more pleasurable viewing experience overall. (sidenote: the Knockouts division hasn't even kicked off yet, but i am greatly looking forward to that happening!) TNA's far from perfect, but the 2005 product is WAY better than it gets credit for.

 

...ok? i don't know what/who this is in refence to, but if/when this person pops up on TV, i'll pop for it based on this post.

One of the things you need to realize about early RoH is that it was only set up as a DVD factory.  Basically, it was Indy Dream Matches before they were the hot thing and was built to just do showcase dream matches that either hadn't been done yet, or hadn't been seen outside of whatever Indy that didn't have Fienstein's distribution network and years of Goodwill from distributing ECW and Japan videos.  Yeah, Wildside and JAPW were running a better overall product, but fuck if anyone not getting to a show was seeing it (I think I caught 2 Wildside TV shows once I realized it was on WGTW at Midnight, and JAPW never had TV).  

You saw a gradual shift once Gabe realized that good matches for the sake of good matches isn't a viable long term strategy and started working stuff in, then got the freedom to actually book once RF got Chris Hansened.  Not saying Gabe was amazing, but there's a direct coloration to when people swearing by RoH say it drastically improved as an overall product and when RF was "featured' on the 11 O'Clock news.

 

Also, yeah.  When I was doing that "watch every PPV" kick, once WCW died, I added in TNA just to break up the WWE monotony and yeah, people at the time, including myself, did not give that promotion a fair shake.  TNA's undercards had a LOT of good stuff going on.  It was just Jarrett and his death grip on the Title and Main Event scene drew too many comparisions to the Hogan/nWo era of WCW and WCW's bad period was too fresh for a lot of people's comfort.   It didn't help when a lot of the guys people held responsible started leaving WWE and came to TNA and right up into the Main Event scene.

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On 6/1/2024 at 10:25 AM, twiztor said:

Why the fuck is Jamie Noble treated like some wrestling god? He's very good, but next to the guys that were already there- Danielson, Joe, Homicide, etc., he's kind of an also-ran. His WWE run never gave him in aura of "amazing underpushed talent" or "held back by bad booking", so i don't get where the over-the-top appreciation comes from.

 

One of my favorite things in wrestling is when you take a wrestler or a tag team who doesn't look particularly great, isn't much in the promo department, isn't flashy, etc., so you give them the GREAT TECHNICAL WRESTLER gimmick.  It's some amazing postmodern kayfabe how even the smartest of smart marks eat this gimmick up.

22 hours ago, caley said:

My favourite Goldberg story is still when he didn't want to work with Jericho because he didn't do comedy so there was a meeting with him, Jericho, Bischoff and someone else and Jericho said something like "I'm doing the comedy, not you. I have no problem losing to you but let's do it at the ppv" and Goldberg responded "I'm the guy who walks through fire" as if that was the argument winning point. I imagine his wife asking him to take out the garbage and him going "Goldberg doesn't do garbage, I'm the man who walks through fire!" 

This dumb galoot almost lost his hand punching out a limo window because "Goldberg wouldn't need a bat to knock out a window."  I swear his favorite scent is his own farts. 

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Another comparison I can give to Steamboat is maybe Dean Malenko. He seems like the kind of guy who got over in the ring instead of on the mic, but his backstage personality was way higher. Dean was known to be one of the funniest guys in the back, and Rick is probably the guy who can do an impression of anybody considering how much he loves to do his mom. Neither needed to use that in their job though. 

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19 minutes ago, EVA said:

Someone please link me to the 20-minute Dunn & Marcos ROH matches that definitely exist.

Are you ready? Cuz they're here. to rock you. like a hurricane.

but for real, if those guys were having 20 minute matches i would've plucked my eyes out.

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On 6/2/2024 at 11:44 AM, zendragon said:

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Can we get a fashion watch?

 

We have a special request for a make-a-wish from a very special message board poster. If John goddamn Cena can put on the old jorts to do a make-a-wish then goddammit I can pretend it is 2013 again too.

SO IT IS..

 

BATISTA FASHION WAAAAAAAAAAAAÂSATCHHHHHH

Spoiler

Cosplaying as Lewis Dodgson who has been waiting in Venice to meet Dennis Nedry and collect that fucking Barbasol can for 30 years now. So far no one has recognized him, largely because as a great man once told him "See, nobody cares."

 

a woman calls out annoyed, calling out from a cafe a few steps away: "Dave, are you pretending to be Dodgson again? Can we take one vacation without this."

Dave: "What? Dodgwhat? I don't know what you're talking about. I'm just taking int the sights. Hey, if you see a guy in a really loud Hawaiian shirt let me know."

"Why, Dave? Does he have something for you?"

"Huh? No, I just thought I saw a guy I knew that's all."

[she reaches out and takes Dave's hand. He takes off the hat] "You're not him, Dave. Nobody is. If I'm okay with that, then you should be too. No woman expects their man to be him. I mean, we think about it sure."

"You're the best, babe." [puts his Dodgson hat back on] "But you shouldn't use my name. Not until all 15 species are off this island."

[whispering to herself] "Why couldn't you just be a jock?"

 

 

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"The woman" has now become a featured player.
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15 hours ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

If you're going to post something like this maybe link or quote what was actually said for those of us not on X/Twitter/Instagram or whatever

Thanks

TK posted a gif of Jason Schwartzman from some movie (that I don’t recognize as I’m not a huge movie guy) saying “See? I’m not such a bad guy after all.”

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4 hours ago, piranesi said:

 

We have a special request for a make-a-wish from a very special message board poster. If John goddamn Cena can put on the old jorts to do a make-a-wish then goddammit I can pretend it is 2013 again too.

SO IT IS..

 

BATISTA FASHION WAAAAAAAAAAAAÂSATCHHHHHH

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Cosplaying as Lewis Dodgson who has been waiting in Venice to meet Dennis Nedry and collect that fucking Barbasol can for 30 years now. So far no one has recognized him, largely because as a great man once told him "See, nobody cares."

 

a woman calls out annoyed, calling out from a cafe a few steps away: "Dave, are you pretending to be Dodgson again? Can we take one vacation without this."

Dave: "What? Dodgwhat? I don't know what you're talking about. I'm just taking int the sights. Hey, if you see a guy in a really loud Hawaiian shirt let me know."

"Why, Dave? Does he have something for you?"

"Huh? No, I just thought I saw a guy I knew that's all."

[she reaches out and takes Dave's hand. He takes off the hat] "You're not him, Dave. Nobody is. If I'm okay with that, then you should be too. No woman expects their man to be him. I mean, we think about it sure."

"You're the best, babe." [puts his Dodgson hat back on] "But you shouldn't use my name. Not until all 15 species are off this island."

[whispering to herself] "Why couldn't you just be a jock?"

 

 

I wrapped myself in this like a warm fucking blanket.

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