The Unholy Dragon Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 From the Youtube announcement video (slightly paraphrased) "If the main universe is predicated on Superman energy and the Metaverse concept first introduced in Doomsday Clock, then this universe is founded on Darkseid energy." Oh so we're still doing "Grant Morrison but stupid" as the infrastructure of the DC Universe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Well its Johns. It also finally the real next new DC universe. The regular Earth 0 won't be rebooted. The solicts for Earth 0 are being leaked on the CBR boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Unholy Dragon Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, dragonzombie said: Well its Johns. It also finally the real next new DC universe. The regular Earth 0 won't be rebooted. The solicts for Earth 0 are being leaked on the CBR boards. Johns is gone. It's Snyder and Williamson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 12 minutes ago, The Unholy Dragon said: Johns is gone. It's Snyder and Williamson. I know. But still Johns ideas about Metaverse and Earth spawning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 More info absolute out. I was right about the stripping away of stuff like Butlers and Mansions for Batman and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madl Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Absolute sounds interesting though I’m not yet sold on the idea. I loved Ultimate Marvel for who was writing and drawing the books more then the retooled concepts, so the execution matters more then the planning to me. Absolute does sound interesting in that the hook is that the heroes grow up as stronger, more heroic versions of their main universe counterparts due to not having some of the advantages thier main universe counterparts have. So, Batman without his fortune & butler; Superman without his friends and family; Wonder Woman without her mission of peace and fellow Amazons; etc. On the other hand, a lot of the names being tossed about for the second wave of Absolute books aren’t interesting to me. Aside from Lemire & Snyder, not that interested in rumored creators. Absolute is reminding me that I haven’t read the Earth One imprint for awhile. Really enjoyed those (and would take those creative teams over Absolute’s in a heartbeat). Reboot of the main universe reminds me of Rebirth and that didn’t produce a lot of great series or sales. Mostly disinterested in the details leaking out about new titles and reshuffled creative teams. Also wondering if World Finest is ending. Nothing said about it continuing with or without Waid and both Waid and Mora have new projects lined up come Fall. I’ve only been reading a few DC titles lately and only reallly would miss World’s Finest & Penguin (which is ending). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhAz7nwUcQ DC All In trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I don't think the tone, setting, and how they will use time will be the same as the new Ultimate Universe. Unlike the Earth One line, the Absolute titles are all in a shared universe. I kinda miss Nu52. I really don't care so much about the current Earth 0, and I would divide the Earth 0 back into their respective individual Earths they were Pre-Crisis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tbarrie Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Did he marry Superman? Because that's the last thing I'd expect in his running feud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 He marries this beautiful 5th dimension girl and after the wedding , she reveals that she is quite the unattractive lady and she tricked Mxy. Not a 2024 friendly ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Absolute GL and Flash and Martian Manhunter come later, I dunno who will be the GL and Flash. I guess they will do the counterpart of the JSA and JLA team later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 I mean I'll say this for the Absolute lineup, the starters are all fantastic writers. Also the rumour of an Al Ewing GL book has so much of my interest reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Lot of the absolute lines looks Public Domain proof. Not much usage of things that will fall in the public domain in the next decade. Kelly confirmed Absolute Wondy is still greek and isn't an archaeologist, and Goddesses will appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Justice League Unlimited by Mark Waid and Dan Mora. Time for Waid to save the franchise again. I like Wally's new costume 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 More absolute DC info out there. Absolute Flash seems to be young Wally, I guess there will be no Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On 7/20/2024 at 11:45 PM, dragonzombie said: Lot of the absolute lines looks Public Domain proof. Not much usage of things that will fall in the public domain in the next decade. Kelly confirmed Absolute Wondy is still greek and isn't an archaeologist, and Goddesses will appear. Public Domain is less of an issue for many of the characters than it seems, since every year of new stuff (design, story elements) only unlocks an equal amount of years after it came out as the first appearance, so while some version of the characters may pop up, the familiar ones will still be locked down for longer than we'll be alive. I do think that DC is probably looking at how to modernize the key characters a bit so that they're distinct from the Golden Age versions that will hit PD though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On 7/20/2024 at 10:45 PM, dragonzombie said: Lot of the absolute lines looks Public Domain proof. Not much usage of things that will fall in the public domain in the next decade. interesting take. i hadn't considered the PD status of the characters, but i could definitely see DC mixing it up with their characters more and seeing if anything catches fire. 2 hours ago, The Unholy Dragon said: Public Domain is less of an issue for many of the characters than it seems, since every year of new stuff (design, story elements) only unlocks an equal amount of years after it came out as the first appearance, so while some version of the characters may pop up, the familiar ones will still be locked down for longer than we'll be alive. I do think that DC is probably looking at how to modernize the key characters a bit so that they're distinct from the Golden Age versions that will hit PD though. Yeah, it will take 10 years for even all of the Golden Age books/characters to enter the PD, and like you said, that doesn't all happen at once. Stuff that could be considered "core" to the Superman mythos, will take decades. Plenty of that stuff debuted much later in the comics, or on the radio show, or even the 50s TV show. Doing some quick math, the Post-Crisis versions of the characters won't start going into the PD until 2080. Yeah, i'm definitely not planning on living that long. Even the revitalized '60s versions are still 30 years from PD status....whether i live to see that remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Boy, these descriptions of Absolute Superman and WW are not for me or your average legacy DC reader. WW is a witch raised in hell, riding a black skeletal horse? It’s almost like they’re redoing tangent (which I loved) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4 hours ago, The Unholy Dragon said: Public Domain is less of an issue for many of the characters than it seems, since every year of new stuff (design, story elements) only unlocks an equal amount of years after it came out as the first appearance, so while some version of the characters may pop up, the familiar ones will still be locked down for longer than we'll be alive. I do think that DC is probably looking at how to modernize the key characters a bit so that they're distinct from the Golden Age versions that will hit PD though. I know about all that. There are just some new radical differences and new derivative stuff that not even the public domain released versions and creators could use. I don't think DC would want to keep publishing some of the known stuff and elements anyone can use in the future so much once it hits public domain. They even made Bruce taller and his hair brown. Same time i expect them to keep some things for familiarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe vs the Algorithm Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: Boy, these descriptions of Absolute Superman and WW are not for me or your average legacy DC reader. WW is a witch raised in hell, riding a black skeletal horse? It’s almost like they’re redoing tangent (which I loved) Yeah, the more I hear about the pitches, the less certain I am that I want to read the books. Unfair to judge anything sight unseen, and the creators will probably get me to at least pay attention to the first few issues, and most likely buy the first set of trades, but my initial impression that they’re veering too far away from the things people love about the characters. I have a lot of faith in Snyder, so I feel like he can make his Batman take work, but, on the other hand, I don’t like his Batman run near as much as most people and I feel like we already got an alternate Batman take form with the Dark Metal stuff. I’ll give it a try, but the image of Bwtman as a jakked giant (he’s supposed to be 6’6”, 250 lbs.) seems gimmicky to me. Absoute Superman could be interesting or could lean into Jason Aaron’s worst tendencies. We’ve already had a lot of Superman takes over the years where he was dark, brooding & disaffected. Those didn’t work for me. Not sure this will either. I’m not really opposed to edgy Superman stories, but it’s not really what I want from the character either. My ideal take on Superman probably leans heavily into the Golden Age ideal. Doesn’t kill. Super boy scout who stow to rescue cats from trees. Lets him human mom grab him by the ear and scold him. Don’tveven know what to say about Absolute Wonder Woman. Much less interested in Kelly Thompson’s writing than I am in Lemire or Snyder snd the pitch sounds horrible to me. Don’t really mind if they mess with the mythos but heavily armed witch-warrior raised in Hell isn’t on my bingo card. I’ll probably check it out, but the pitch turns me off and I’ll probably give Thompson less leeway than I will the other writers. We’ll see. Maybe the execution will be better then it sounds, but I’m a little leery about how this all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On the bright side, Waid/Mora Justice League book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I'm waiting for the JSA relaunch. Most of the Earth 0 line hasn't been relaunched and there will be no continuity reboot. The way current Earth 0 works is everything is nearly in continuity even Pre-Crisis stuff, if it can fit. If stuff cant fit then only what came after matters or is erased. Like Year One matters more than Pre Crisis Batman origins. Wonder Woman and Superman have their own messes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Absolute Green Lantern is a black woman. Just need to see what Martian Manhunter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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