ChesterCopperpot Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @TheRock 2mBetween Vince, Brock & myself our Wrestlemania 30 plan was ROCK vs BROCK. No plans now for 30 but possibly WM 31. #RockTalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Ahhhh, how could I forget Badd/DDP? I love those matches. Once the junior heavyweights started coming in, the tv shows got much better, but those guys didn't get much ppv time(outside of the NJPW angle) until spring of 96-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooker Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Back when people on this board were talking about how great Rock vs Brock would be (around Cena/Rock 2), I never really understood it. The appeal of Cena vs Rock 1 was that it was stars from different eras going at it (like Rock vs Hogan). The appeal of Cena vs Rock 2 was that you got to witness the culmination of the WWE's steadfastly-masturbatory storyline of how great John Cena is with absolutely no surprises along the way. What's the appeal of Rock vs Lesnar? We already got that match back when both were fulltime wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 A Happy New Year's Eve from 1988 Paul E. Dangerously! No real surprise, but Paul has aged really badly. He's gone from young Michael Keaton to :"Would you buy a car from this man?" {No!} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Back when people on this board were talking about how great Rock vs Brock would be (around Cena/Rock 2), I never really understood it. The appeal of Cena vs Rock 1 was that it was stars from different eras going at it (like Rock vs Hogan). The appeal of Cena vs Rock 2 was that you got to witness the culmination of the WWE's steadfastly-masturbatory storyline of how great John Cena is with absolutely no surprises along the way. What's the appeal of Rock vs Lesnar? We already got that match back when both were fulltime wrestlers. This is the exact reason I have no interest in Brock vs. Taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 True, RandomAct. There were some good Nitro matches between the cruisers, however. Heck, the first Nitro kicked off with Liger/Pillman. I would be remiss if I did not mention the "Luger is a heel and everyone knows it except for Sting" and Pillman/Horsemen vs. Sullivan/DoD quasi-feud that Benoit got slotted into within the Pillman role once the latter left for the WWF. Those were both hot angles looking back at those shows, and I liked how everything was interconnected. Flair was busy dicking with Savage, but he also was dicking with Sting while at the same time trying to hold a Horsemen/DoD alliance together to take down Hulk Hogan. Sting was backing Luger as a changed man and was tag champs with him, but Luger was running with Jimmy Hart as manager right after Hart turned on Hogan and joined the DoD. Was Luger fooling Sting (probably)? Was Sting going to get turned to the DoD with Luger? Was Luger just dumb as a sack of rocks and making bad choices? Savage and Flair were at one another's throats, but Savage was also asked by Hogan for help against the DoD. The faces didn't know whether they could trust one another and there was some in-fighting, but the same was true of the heel alliance. It made for some damn fine pro-wrestling drama. Add to that the juniors and some good undercard wrestlers doing their own thing like Alex Wright, Badd, DDP, Paul Orndorff getting a nice little push before he got hurt [see Badd/Orndorff on the 9/18/95 Nitro for a pretty nice TV match]. Plus the tag ranks were great because the Steiners and Road Warriors both came back around that time. I like bomb-throwing tag teams beating the shit out of each other with dangerous moves, so Steiners/Road Warriors/Harlem Heat/Public Enemy was basically pure joy to me. Some of this stuff happened in '95, so '94 and the first part of '95 did have some serious problems, but by mid-to-late '95, there is good stuff all over the weekly shows. Nitro in particular really saw a step up in game of both in-ring action and entertaining booking. It's total hindsight, but watching that stuff again, I was really sad that some of the ongoing angles got dropped abruptly (and others pushed to the side) for the all-encompassing nWo angle. I know that's just because the nWo thing didn't turn out very well in the end, but the pacing and development of the shows beforehand were hitting such a stride by early 1996. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEN! Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I remember hearing in 1992 when the Dangerous Alliance angle was going strong that Heyman was 25 and was just baffled that someone could look so bad at such a young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ape Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Facebook is especially irritating in this regard. I had someone inform me that my statement that ECW was dead and gone was nothing more than my opinion. Oh, the Facebook hate I got from people who think Davey Richards is anything other than fucking awful could write a book. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 And now for your moment of zen: Big E Langston @BigELangston 9m 2013 has been a year full of months & days. Some things happened. Some things didn't happen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Big E is cool remember when he did that Howard Cosell impression at last years Rumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 And now for your moment of zen: Big E Langston @BigELangston 9m 2013 has been a year full of months & days. Some things happened. Some things didn't happen That's either really deep, really shallow, or somewhere in between, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Some rumblings over at the board that Mae Young won't be on Raw next week due to her being ill and going into a hospice. Hope it's not true. Terrible. She's one of the like 5 people in the "old as fuck"generation that isn't grumpy or angry or pissed that she is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Sting vs Avalanche was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Sting vs Avalanche was good. Sting and John Tenta (as The Shark) also had a really fun three-minute match on Nitro, too. Sting is one of those guys who I love, but beyond Ric Flair and Vader, I don't remember many of his matches specifically as must-see matches. On the other hand, you were pretty much never going to get a stinker out of him or even a boring match. He would always do something really enjoyable and get the crowd into it. Sting had a fun run of matches before he was taken off TV to get Crow/Sting over. I forget the PPV in early '96 it was on, but he had an underappreciated match with Steven Regal (that is only marred by an embarrassing homophobic promo he cut before the match, so feel free to skip that part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp, broken circa 1988 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 So I was talking to a non-wrestling friend of mine about the Kaufman/Lawler program. They asked if Kaufman was a good wrestler, and I said that he was perfect for what he had to do. Then I explained how a lot of celebrities can be afraid of getting hurt or hurting people so their angles end up looking bad, which is why the Kaufman stuff was great because he leaned into all of it when it was time to. So I tried to name other people who had that kind of commitment to the angle and all I could name were Floyd Mayweather and Mark Cuban. Am I forgetting anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 John Tenta is really awesome. He's definitely in my top fifty of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 So I was talking to a non-wrestling friend of mine about the Kaufman/Lawler program. They asked if Kaufman was a good wrestler, and I said that he was perfect for what he had to do. Then I explained how a lot of celebrities can be afraid of getting hurt or hurting people so their angles end up looking bad, which is why the Kaufman stuff was great because he leaned into all of it when it was time to. So I tried to name other people who had that kind of commitment to the angle and all I could name were Floyd Mayweather and Mark Cuban. Am I forgetting anyone? LT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 John Tenta is really awesome. He's definitely in my top fifty of all time. My favorite work from Tenta is as one-half of the Natural Disasters. They were such an awesome fat-dudes tag team and are the best thing about that early-'90s WWF tag team scene, to be honest. Is his early work in AJPW worth seeking out in your opinion? If I was to watch one or two matches of his from that company, what might you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 He just requested Regal not call him "sunshine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I'll have to find the promo, but he went beyond that to call Regal gay for calling people sunshine and insult him for drinking his tea in a feminine way and not being a man, saying "we don't breed American men that way". I just saw it a couple months ago and pretty vividly remember it. It wasn't the contract-signing, where he does just ask Regal not to call him sunshine, but it was the promo Sting cut on the night of the match. I could be wrong/oversensitive, but I remember thinking it was pretty ugly when I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 John Tenta is really awesome. He's definitely in my top fifty of all time. My favorite work from Tenta is as one-half of the Natural Disasters. They were such an awesome fat-dudes tag team and are the best thing about that early-'90s WWF tag team scene, to be honest. Is his early work in AJPW worth seeking out in your opinion? If I was to watch one or two matches of his from that company, what might you suggest? Natural Disasters have some of the best wimpy matches of the era certain. I also think, pretty certainly though someone could argue otherwise, that the best match of Summerslam 1992 is Natural Disasters vs Beverly Brothers. Go back and check it out. If you want to watch him in Japan I find his 93-94 stuff more interesting. I really like this one, for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDzFb-fbKJs It's so random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 That's WAR for you. There's an AJ tag match with Tenta & Jumbo vs. Brody & Big Bubba Rogers that's a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 His last televised WWF match as Earthquake against Bam Bam Bigelow is a rely fun match between big men. I'm a real big Bigelow fan however, that guy was so watching else. Edited with punctuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Vader/Duggan was the for the US Title Back then, they really didn't need much more backstory than that Oddly, not only was there more backstory than that, I actually remember it. Vader had one the triangle match to earn the Number 1 contender status over Sting and Guardian Angel (or whatever name Bossman had at that point) but didn't get the title shot at Starcade anyway, so he decided to challenge Duggan for the U.S. title because of the old school "the secondary champion is the automatic #1 contender to the world title" rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 So I was talking to a non-wrestling friend of mine about the Kaufman/Lawler program. They asked if Kaufman was a good wrestler, and I said that he was perfect for what he had to do. Then I explained how a lot of celebrities can be afraid of getting hurt or hurting people so their angles end up looking bad, which is why the Kaufman stuff was great because he leaned into all of it when it was time to. So I tried to name other people who had that kind of commitment to the angle and all I could name were Floyd Mayweather and Mark Cuban. Am I forgetting anyone? Maria Menunos (sp) Dare i say David Arquette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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