cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I posted this on Facebook and thought it might be a good topic starter. Something I just thought about. A huge thing missing from today's wrestling climate is the believability of the characters. For as long as I've been a fan, up until about 12-13 years ago, you always got the feeling that all of those dudes could kick your ass in a real fight. They didn't take any crap. Even lower card heels were presented as dudes that might get their tail kicked by the babyface, but they'd still kick yours. Thats why it was so important to have managers, they could show that weakness for the guys so everyone looked strong. I'm not just talking about the monster guys like Barbarian, Andre, etc either. Dudes like Bret Hart, Tully, Arn, Haku were all seen as legit tough guys. Right now, there are too many guys that the average fan would look at and think "I could take him", and there is a good chance that they could. Before, if there was a guy that didn't come off like such a tough guy, like Honky Tonk Man or even early HBK, they made sure to go all the way with it, and use that to make you hate him even more. I guess what I'm saying is that there are too many guys pretending to be bad dudes, instead of actually being one. That is why someone like Brock, Mark Henry, Langston, Reigns, Bully Ray or even James Storm are taken seriously. You know those guys would hand you your ass in a fight. I agree with this. I'm not a big badass or anything but outside of the legit shooter guys on the roster, there aren't too many guys I don't think I'd have a decent chance against in a knock down drag out fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I don't think we can embed instagram videos so I beg you to click on this link and play the video. Hint: Big E. Edit: A lot of his videos are fucking hilarious! http://instagram.com/p/hhyF9xioN5# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 More specific to my point, the company does an awful job of presenting these guys as someone that could kick your ass, and the guys working don't project that. Guys take too much shit now, and tell too many jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Batista's back? YAY! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm sick to death of every goddamn person acting like a "Mark Henry air bill" joke is still clever, original, or even remotely funny now (AH, yeah! Mark said that once 18 months ago! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!- Fuck, type "Mark Henry Air Bill" in the search engine, you'll probably get an error 404 from the overkill) but goddamn if I wouldn't pay money to see Mark as Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. Bad ass reference that came out of nowhere. THAT'S how you make a Mark Henry joke. Sounds like someone forgot to pay his air bill... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm sick to death of every goddamn person acting like a "Mark Henry air bill" joke is still clever, original, or even remotely funny now (AH, yeah! Mark said that once 18 months ago! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!- Fuck, type "Mark Henry Air Bill" in the search engine, you'll probably get an error 404 from the overkill) but goddamn if I wouldn't pay money to see Mark as Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. Bad ass reference that came out of nowhere. THAT'S how you make a Mark Henry joke. Sounds like someone forgot to pay his air bill... That's what he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. I see Punk as a Gribble type. Pocket sand! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. CM Punk as Bobby Hill? I accept that. I see Punk as a Gribble type. Pocket sand! I always felt like this is exactly how Corey Graves should be booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Wait, what do you mean "air bill joke"? What joke? You guys don't send checks to Mark every month? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Gee, I really hope this turns into another round of everyone arguing about whether or not Punk and Bryan are believably tough enough to be main eventers. I hope not, because that's not what I was aiming at. To be fair, I think Bryan is well trained enough to kick someone's ass. I was thinking more along the lines of the guys that are presented as badasses or someone we're supposed to find believable, but obviously aren't. Punk looks like a guy who could kick someone's ass in a bar fight. He's not all muscled up or anything but he just looks like a guy who'd bite your nose off or pull some other ridiculously terrible thing to win a fight. He looks scuzzy tough if that makes any sense. And I've met D-Bry and while he's a short guy, he's not super small next to an average person. He's built pretty well. Being good at bar fights is a skill that is wasted on CM Punk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Cuz he's straight edge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Austin Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 All this talk of Batista reminds me of the Wrestlemania 26 hype video for his match with Cena, I remember there being a thread on the old board about great hype videos, I don't think that was mentioned, that one was a great storyteller leading to their match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. I dunno, I was attacked by a guy who was floridly psychotic, but in such shape that a couple of whiff punches had him winded and incapable of carrying on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 "floridly psychotic" is an amazing turn of phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 It means he'll garrotte you with a daffodil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I hate to break it to you guys, but most of the WWE roster could take the average person in a fight, just on cardio alone. Except Miz. Most fights are over in like 30 seconds so cardio doesn't mean anything. Maybe those bar fights where people just wrestle each other to the ground. but I've seen plenty of fights that have gone over 30 seconds. Perhaps but I highly doubt cardio is the deciding factor in most fights unless you're in a controlled environment. I dunno, I was attacked by a guy who was floridly psychotic, but in such shape that a couple of whiff punches had him winded and incapable of carrying on. And this is what I'm talking about. In fights most people just try and punch you as hard as they possibly can, exerting tons of energy on punches they may or may not land. Tires someone out fast. Anyway, any guesses on who Batista's first program is with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I usually challenge the other guy to throw a baseball at my chest. And then I talk at him and get inside his head and he starts to get nervous cause everyone has gathered around to watch. He usually misses and then we get to know each other and work it out. And then we take turns with Max Patkin banging Susan Sarandon. It's worked for me like three times. By the way, Susan Sarandon is pretty slutty it turns out. And Max Patkin is a goddamn stallion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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