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I haven’t seen a ton of CM Punk because I had moved on from it all but what I’ve seen looking stuff back up has been amazing, including his promos. His worked shoot stuff could have been better if it weren’t so obviously scripted word for word IMO. If they’d have handed him the mic and said just do it, and even shaved off 5 whole minutes, it would have been a lot better. 

And the straight edge heel stuff. That wasn’t all bad but that’s the best thing I can say about that. A heel who calls the audience on any kind of true shit isn’t supposed to be a dork heel. He was standing there talking like Clarence Mason. He should have been going straight ECW Cactus Jack on them. 

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48 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

It's kinda remarkable they were able to get 6ish months of Rock as a heel in late 98/early 99 because I remember it seeming like people were ready for him to be a face

then again my part of the country also has an unusually high Samoan/Polynesian population so I'd imagine the Rock was super-over there for the late 90s (one of my close friends claimed that somebody a few blocks over was related to the Rock and would have him over when the WWF was in town, on one hand, that seems like a lie that kids would tell, on the other hand, there were enough Samoans around to make it plausible)

Nah, you remember correctly. Everyone wanted Rock to turn face and he teased a face turn going into Deadly Games, then re-established himself as a heel after that. 

I think it only worked for as long as it did because he was allied with Vince McMahon, who at the time was such a mega-heel that he had the ability to poison the Rock for just enough time to keep him heel through WM XV. 

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Man... If Rock lost about 60 lbs and trimmed down, went back to Hollywood Rock/Rundown era shape... Just really lean...

And then started playing villain roles in like a Guy Ritchie or a Tarantino or a Coen Brothers film. Something with snappy dialogue where his charisma can really pump up the volume on a scene.

Make that happen Hollywood, and he'd go from overexposed to movie star again in a heartbeat.

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Hollywood Rock is the best version of The Rock by far. I unashamedly know the lyrics by heart of The Rock RAW concert, the first before facing Steve Austin at WrestleMania XIX (a top five WrestleMania). Two of the lone bright spots of 2003 WWE alongside Vengeance, Eddie Guerrero as WWE United States Champion as the belt was brought back, ditto for the WWE Intercontinental Championship. Stupid that went for a time between October 2002-May 2003.

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12 hours ago, L_W_P said:

Man... If Rock lost about 60 lbs and trimmed down, went back to Hollywood Rock/Rundown era shape... Just really lean...

And then started playing villain roles in like a Guy Ritchie or a Tarantino or a Coen Brothers film. Something with snappy dialogue where his charisma can really pump up the volume on a scene.

Make that happen Hollywood, and he'd go from overexposed to movie star again in a heartbeat.

You articulated this much better than I did, but that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of when I said a 'smarmy' role - thank you

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9 hours ago, sabremike said:

Random thought: People who hate Toru Yano are a blight on humanity.

Not that it matters at all but I’ve always been amused by how much Dave hates him (I’m not a Dave hater and don’t care if someone has or doesn’t have the same opinions as me). But he just hates him so consistently. Low key mvp of the G1 every time. 

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2 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

When Mordecai wrestled, you definitely heard a lot of silence.

Very much the Bray Wyatt problem of a great entrance, but then the guy had to wrestle after that. 

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When I first moved to Lousiville in '05, Mordecai and some other OVW guys (the Tolans and Daniel Pruder) lived in my apartment complex. In fact, we signed our lease with his then-fiance.

One summer, a few days after 4th of July, some jackass was lighting off fireworks way too late in the evening. Mordecai's (sorry, can't recall his real name) fiance/wife/whatever went out to tell them to knock it off. I'm seeing this from my balcony on the second floor. The fireworks guy is drunk and starts giving her a hard time. Then Mordecai comes around the corner. Now, he wasn't a huge guy for a wrestler, but he's normal-people huge. The drunk guy shut up really quick and gathered up his fireworks and left.

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1 minute ago, Infinit said:

I think Mordecai's real name was Kevin Fertig?

Yes. He later went on to become a vampire in SCIFIECW and is unfortunately most notable as the guy it's been rumored a WWE writer tried to coerce into a relationship and when Taker found out he was livid and the writer was fired soon thereafter.

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2 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Yes. He later went on to become a vampire in SCIFIECW and is unfortunately most notable as the guy it's been rumored a WWE writer tried to coerce into a relationship and when Taker found out he was livid and the writer was fired soon thereafter.

He's now a wrestling-themed real estate agent in Indiana.  According his FB he sold Doug Basham a house last month.

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On 7/7/2023 at 1:37 PM, matt925 said:

Wwe is running the chase center in San Francisco for a house show in September. That will be a very interesting test of how hot they are. Last time through the Bay Area they skipped chase, after doing tv tapings there the two previous times through Northern California, with crazy low attendance. Like 3k for raw and smackdown. Very curious how this one does. I’m gonna bring my boys to that show. 

Honestly thought it would start out stronger with how hot wwe is, but they are strong late movers and Cody will probably work his social media magic. I’m pretty certain that 3995 is their highest total because I remember the first time through when chase center was brand new the numbers for raw and smackdown were shockingly low. Kind of ashamed for the city lol. I’m pretty sure gcw is done with SF as well. 
 

Anyway I got my tickets in yet another attempt to get my boys into wrestling. I think this is my first wwe house show in 10 years and I’m looking forward to it. 

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3 minutes ago, matt925 said:

Honestly thought it would start out stronger with how hot wwe is, but they are strong late movers and Cody will probably work his social media magic. I’m pretty certain that 3995 is their highest total because I remember the first time through when chase center was brand new the numbers for raw and smackdown were shockingly low. Kind of ashamed for the city lol. 

Call me crazy, but doing the kind of numbers they were doing for a Raw coming out of pandemic restrictions two years ago seems pretty good for a house show that’s two months away. 

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1 minute ago, John from Cincinnati said:

Call me crazy, but doing the kind of numbers they were doing for a Raw coming out of pandemic restrictions two years ago seems pretty good for a house show that’s two months away. 

My comments are more San Francisco related in general. First time through was before the pandemic and raw and smackdown did like 2500 in a brand new arena. They were very cold then of course, but that was super low. Thought this would be an interesting test of how hot they are. 

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